Gun industry accountability

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Galileo, May 21, 2017.

  1. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    "Guns are the only consumer product manufactured in the United States that are not subject to federal health and safety regulation. All other products that Americans use or come into contact with are regulated by a federal health and safety agency. The Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) regulates household and recreational products such as toasters, lawn mowers, and toys (including toy guns). The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) oversees the safety of food and prescription drugs. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) regulates motor vehicles. Yet, as a direct result of the power of the gun lobby, firearms escaped safety regulation in the 1970s when the U.S. Congress created the major product safety agencies. This unique exemption has allowed the firearms industry to innovate for lethality rather than safety."
    http://gunindustryaccountability.org/industry-accountability-background/

    Do you find this disturbing? There is no federal regulatory body to make sure that the products manufactured and distributed by the gun industry are safe for consumers to use and free of defects. Pharmaceutical companies must get FDA approval before putting a new type of prescription drug on the market. However, there is no approval process that gun manufacturers have to go through when they decided to sell a new type of firearm. They are free to keep increasing the deadliness of firearms.
     
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  2. rahl

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    Firearm deadliness hasn't increased since they were invented. A gun manufactured in 2017 fires a projectile, just like a firearm manufactured in 1890.
     
  3. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

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    Don't confuse them with facts !
    Proof testing and Saami are evidence enough to the contrary, Gun manufactering is self QA'd .....


    www.saami.org


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    SAAMI Safety Reminder
    Guidance on Ammunition That Has Been Submerged In Water
    October 16, 2015: United Nations General Assembly, 70th Session First Committee

    Richard Patterson, Executive Director
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    June 2, 2015: United Nations Second Meeting of Governmental Experts


    Richard Patterson, Executive Director
    Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, Inc. spoke at the United Nations Second Meeting of Governmental Experts. View the text of his speech.

    June 19, 2014: United Nations Fifth Biennial Meeting of States

    Richard Patterson, Executive Director
    Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, Inc. spoke at the United Nations Fifth Biennial Meeting of States to Consider the Implementation of the UN Programme of Action in New York. View the text of his speech.

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    Sporting Ammunition
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    Welcome
    The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) is an association of the nation's leading manufacturers of firearms, ammunition and components. SAAMI was founded in 1926 at the request of the federal government and tasked with:

    • Creating and publishing industry standards for safety, interchangeability, reliability and quality

    • Coordinating technical data

    • Promoting safe and responsible firearms use
    The work at SAAMI is accomplished by its committees. Technical excellence is always our goal and safety is always the prerequisite.

    SAAMI supports science-based solutions to the many issues related to firearms, ammunition and components.

    Who We Are contains specific information and a description of the function of each committee.
     
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  4. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    Firearms and ammunition are overseen by the sporting arms and ammunition manufacturers institute. They set the standards for which firearms and ammunition must comply when it comes to their safe operation. They are the reason ammunition does not cause a firearm to explode or otherwise break when it is being used in an appropriate manner.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    How many reports of guns or ammo have resulted from unsafe guns or ammo?
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    nonsense. Guns are one of the few consumer items that

    1) require a background check for a citizen to buy at retail

    2) which normally cannot be bought by a citizen of another state

    3) that lawsuits are filed against based on a desire to ban the items and do an end around the constitution

    4) that the suits are not based on unsafe features but rather intentional misuse by HUMANS

    how many people have actually been injured by DEFECTIVE firearms?
     
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  7. DoctorWho

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    I had a Colt Mustang that needed an additional spring clip, a safety update, the additional spring snapped into place through the magazine well, on the mainspring, a quick fast repair.
    It had never failed me, it was a precautionary repair.
    Colt sent me the spring free of charge.
     
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  8. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Being in the industry, I have noted over the years that when a manufacture become aware of a potentially dangerous defect, they normally have initiated recalls to effect remedies free of charge to an owner.
    However, most gun failures I have see have been operator caused, such as excesssive powder charges, wrong size ammo or bullets, incompetent modifications, doing stupid stuff, and just being unsafe.
    Manufacturers generally published owner manuals that detailed safe operation and some of the best practices were just common knowledge, like with the old Colt revolvers, you didn't carry with all six chambers loaded and the hammer down. When I got my first NNA revolver I knew enough to do the 'Cowboy Carry' but it was also recommended in the owner's manual and they eventually added a hammer notchs on the cylinder. Manufacturers have developed various safety features to pevent drop discharges, loaded chamber indicators, and many others...not by regulation, but in response to those in the shooter community.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_(firearms)
    Most lawabidding gun owner and manufactures are concerned about safety and are continually listening to the shooting community contrary to what the Left would have us believe. And, if a gun is found defective and causes injury because of the defect there are civil remedies.
    The liability issue has been another on of those tactics to attempt forcing manufacturers into a finanancially infeasable situation propagated by those wanting to sue when guns are misused in crimes, a use no manufacturer or gun owner would sanction.
    Congress did not block liability for defects in gun products, but passed a law preventing suits for criminal use of firearm products because they were not only dishonest attempts at assigning liability to an unintended use of a product, but because it would open the door for similar suits for a huge range of products that caused injury when not used for intended purposes..otherwise everything from knives, powertools, screwdrivers, matches and almost any product that might cause injury if misused would be target and result in a cascade of suits against manufacturers. You can't transfer liability from criminals and idiots to manufacturers.
     
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    what should they do, make them non-lethal ?
     
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    I can only think of one case and it starts with an "R".
     
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    This is, of course, a lie.
     
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    Stuff like this just makes me roll my eyes. The firearms industry has regulatory requirements far beyond any other consumer product. Do teddy bears require a background check? A serial number? Does Federal law ban direct sales to private citizens from the manufacturer? Every time I see someone wailing that guns aren't regulated I want to puke; it's just such a dishonest argument.
     
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    I'm still waiting on the OP to cite some evidence of firearms being unsafe.
     
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    The OP has no interest in honest discussion, so it is in unlikely you will ever see such a thing.
     
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    Bull.
    Knives, axes, swords and other various products and made in their thousands by craftsmen, sell their products without any interference from the Federal government or regulatory agency.

    So please stop spreading falsehoods. Thank you.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Of course it is a lie, but it is repeatedly peddled to the uninformed ready to swallow the coolaid of the dishonest left as readily as being led by a mezmorizing cult leader. Part of the strategy of the left is to have an outright lie (one few will eye critically or research) that is repeated by some many left leaning media sources that the indoctrinated uninformed begin to see it as truth... no mystery, the herd follows.
     
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    Herr Goebbels would be proud.
     
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    What defects do you see making firearms unsafe for consumers to use? How many people per year are injured because of these defects?
     
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    Ooh! Ooh! I know!
    { } < empty set
     
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    Do you actually read sources outside of your liberal anti-gun bubble? If you did, you would know that product participation in the Consumer Products Safety Commision is pretty much voluntary. In addition, the ATF is the federal department set up to oversee guns.

    Also, please find different sources than the VPC. The so-called gunindustryaccountablilty.org, is simply a sub-section of the VPC. You're starting to sound like a broken record. Do you ever have original thoughts?
     
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    They want to Ban Guns and want a method to accomplish this goal.
    Plain and simple, Ban Guns by any means no matter what the cost.
     
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    So much for OP's signature reading "this post may be fatal to pro gun extremists." Have yet to see one that even makes a valid point.
     
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    The Vile Propaganda Center is run by a guy who tried to be a copy of the SPLC and ran a communist disinformation site called "the new right watch" where he tried to get donations from Fearful blacks, Jews, and others by trumpeting claims that a fascist right wing movement was threatening such people. He's basically Morris Dees with even less credibility, He was also fired from the Brady Conspiracy against gun rights for admitting that the real goal of the Brady Bunch was gun bans. In the mid 80s, upset that the jihad against handguns was failing, he essentially created the jihad against modern sporting rifles by telling the press to show clips of films like RAMBO and SCARFACE while talking about "assault weapons" so that the slow witted sheeple will assume an AR-15 is something like this

     
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    What brand of spoon assaulted Rosie O'Donnell?
     

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