Gun owner goes on shooting rampage after argument with wife

being able to kill or threaten violent criminals is an incredibly useful purpose of firearms. that is why our tax dollars are used to supply millions of firearms to government employees. being able to kill those who would eradicate our freedoms is another useful purpose of firearms-the threat of that power keeps lots of would be dictators and their fawning minions in check. plus millions of people enjoy the shooting sports even if that vexes the cowardly and the fans of a dictatorship

 

The above is factually incorrect. Polymer-framed firearms are not like steel and aluminum-framed firearms, which have the serial number stamped into the metal. Polymer has less resilience than metal, making it quite easy to modify in an illegal manner, and remove any trace of identifying characteristics.

The member Bryanva has already discredited this argument, explaining how it involves the equivalent making a deal with the devil to go after one of his worshipers. What possible information could a suspect in a murder investigation have, that would warrant giving them a reduced sentence, purely to assist in going after the one who supplied them with a firearm?

Beyond such, he has detailed how the criminal admitting to how they acquired the firearm, is a violation of their fifth amendment right against self incrimination, and would be grounds for a mistrial.

As opposed to the risk that is taken by a felon or other prohibited individual being in possession of a firearm? Or utilizing a firearm in furtherance of a criminal act?

Risk of being caught does nothing to deter criminal acts among those who are familiar with how the united states justice system works. If such did occur, no convicted felon would ever attempt to procure a firearm after they are released back into society, as it would risk being convicted and sent to prison once again for another five years, just for the possession charge alone.

The defendant is allowed to claim whatever they wish. That does not mean their argumentative defense will be allowed to proceed at trial.

As demonstrated in the example from Illinois, this ultimately means nothing. If the most serious punishment will be nothing more than probation, where is the deterring factor?

Firearms also serve the same useful purposes in modern day society. To some they are a means of putting food on the table, and ensuring financial stability through the act of hunting. To others they are sports, making the matter no different than the availability of baseball bats, despite how easily such could be utilized for committing murder. To others they are a means of personal defense in a world that is unkind, uncaring, and has no interest in looking out for the well being of anyone. Beyond such, the united state supreme court has stated that the use of deadly force, such as with a firearm for purposes such as self defense is a constitutional right. Simply because firearms are misused by those who cannot legally possess them, does nothing to mitigate their legitimate use.

 

how do you enforce background checks when there is no registration. whose to prove when I sold the gun? sorry, your dreams are unrealistic and worthless. the purpose for this stupid scheme is to create a demand among the slow witted masses for registration, which is the holy grail for the bannerrhoid movement in terms of tools needed for confiscation

 

Hey, at least a cop didn't shoot another unarmed black man though.

People would have been mad about that one.

 

A felon convicted of armed robbery, like this one, cannot legally purchase a firearm.

As an armed felon illegally in possession of a firearm, he could not be charged for not registering their gun via 5th amendment protection.

Perhaps these liberal democrat voters should have legally owned a firearm to defend their own lives.

 

The title should read: "Outlawing gun ownership fails - 8 dead."

 

This would only be a story if the cop had shot the guy trying to kill everyone.

"couldn't he have just tased him", "why don't cops shoot people in the legs", "the window on his jeans was up", "it was a book not a gun", blah blah.

 

or THOSE INTENT ON COMMITTING MURDER SUICIDE IGNORE GUN LAW

 

To me, the entire Op and reality of it is a justification for carry.

 

There is a record, the form 4473, after the Gun leaves the factory, it goes to an F.F.L. Dealer, the factory maintains records of all sales, as do all Federally licensed Dealers, that is all Gun Stores any Business that sells Guns.
Criminals steal Guns, Registration will never prevent Criminals from misusing or stealing firearms, and no measure taking will never stop strawman sales.
Most people also non Gun owners, that buy firearms for Felon boyfreinds, do not really care about the consequences of that criminal act.

 

Not to mention that criminals can't be charged with not registering their illegally possessed firearms.

 

More unsupportable nonsense.

 

The Black mass murderer was a repeat violent felon who was supposed to be denied having a weapon by your worthless gun control laws.

 

Maybe if his intended victims had been prepared to defend themselves there would have been fewer fatalities too. Sadly, too few people take responsibility for their own security these days.

 

I like the term "hoplophobe" as coined by Col. Jeff Cooper.

 

I've trained with Farnam. A seriously knowledgeable man with an amazing ability to inject historical relevance into his lectures. I hold him in very high regard.

 

That's irrelevant. your original point is guns make it easier to kill. The other posters are pointing out that more people were killed by a truck than our worse mass shooting.

 

I argued with my wife last week and my gun didn't do anything violent. It stayed in it's holster and was very quiet. I guess it's not a homicidal idiot like the gun in the OP's story. Glad I got that one, but I haven't had an argument while carrying the new Glock.

 

And, she didn't shoot you. Just know, the purse is a deadly weapon.

 

http://abc13.com/news/bizarre-chain-of-events-led-to-robbery-suspects-death/2049854/

Gun owner saves elderly man....whew thank God eh?

 

My car kills bugs by the hundreds and thousands, one of my guns has never killed anything at all. Your 'logic' fails...

 

Zowie !
A killer car !
Bug lice matter !