I'm going to say something lengthy so that I don't have to repeat it. IF YOU CHERISH YOUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS YOU WILL INDULGE ME THE NEXT SEVERAL PARAGRAPHS. It is worth your time. Most of us who own firearms are rightfully concerned that children are murdered in a school by a crazed shooter. We all mourn their loss - some more than others. At the same time, the liberals are so off the charts that they think gun owners should be held responsible. Do they go to the Dodge dealership and wail because a white supremacist allegedly crashed a rally in Charlottesville using his car as a weapon? Liberals have no concept of context. To them, it's if you ban guns, you save lives. Ban cars and people won't be killed in DUI accidents either. We could play the game with them all day long. Right? But, the real deal is that they keep putting gun control on the table and the gun owners keep playing ball. In my life-time, they went after civilians that were legally converting weapons to fully auto. Without one, single instance of showing us how a legally converted weapon was used in a crime (save of a weapon stolen from a police officer), they got them outlawed. There was Bush with his semi-auto ban and today a Norinco AK from the 80s will bring a minimum of $1000. They still were not satisfied. Gun owners gave the left the so-called "Lautenberg Amendment" that is WHOLLY unconstitutional in a de jure / constitutional Republic by any measure. The left has their ban lists and they have the background check nonsense. Today, there are more than 40,000 federal, state, county, and city rules, regulations, ordinances, statutes, cases, etc. that govern firearms. And, every time someone gets killed the left comes at you, demanding more gun control. And many of you play along... though you get NOTHING in return. In one of these threads, just today, the left was condemning a "gun culture." It's a tremendously effective yet deceptive argument. Our country was not founded on a "gun culture" but, upon a goal to secure Liberty for the founders and their posterity. The people who HATE American culture point to the descendants of the founders and that is who they have the problem with. These people have managed to ban God, the Ten Commandments, and Nativity scenes. These people have attacked the traditional family unit. They have gotten rid of the statues, memorials, and monuments of our predecessors / ancestors. They got rid of the Confederate flag. They flooded this country with people from the third world and silenced us as any objection thereto is deemed to be "hate speech" and racist (sic.) And now they come for the guns. And when they framed it as a culture battle, I decided to say what needs to be said: The right is doing nothing except a knee jerk, defensive battle. That part whizzes me off. Then, all the right wants to do is show the weaknesses of the left's argument. That is pointless when the left is proactive. They pounce on a crisis and beat it to death. They win, incrementally, because they are willing to do something. And we do nothing. We allow the system to use prisons as places for the mentally ill. We don't even try to treat the mentally unstable unless they want to be treated and we don't consider those people to be a threat to society until after the fact. And yet psychologists and psychiatrists know who is most likely going to commit a violent act. They simply don't want to accept the accountability. And so my word to you is that there is no "gun culture", but rather a generation of people being disenfranchised at one end and subject to combinations of legal and illegal drugs on the other. Those factors and peripheral issues surrounding them are predictors of what is going to happen. So, you can get IN this fight and realize that it is a war on your culture OR you can sit on your arse, play defense, and let the left divide and conquer you. But, I'm posting this to tell you that the time to quit talking and posting is OVER. Each of you needs to spend some time, effort and sacrifices in being pro-active. Leaders of the NRA (or any other big organization) worried about their jobs, pensions and perks are a bad bet. Grass roots lobbying and being engaged IN the battle with your pastors, congresscritters, school officials, and other community leaders is the winning formula. Reclaiming our culture by saving those people before they commit a violent act takes the pretext for gun control off the table. Better, it will save lives. BTW, I have a PM if you want a discussion that gets away from the usual B.S. that is about to follow this post.
As a gun owner, carry permit holder and former NRA member before they became a corporate state political lobbyist enterprise, I would welcome a calm coherent national conversation. As an american who realizes that the gun has morphed into a fetish symbol for the freedoms and liberties we all collectively sat on our asses and watched stripped from us because of our collective snowflake safe space reaction to 9/11, I know this will never come to pass.
Violence, murder and insanity are foundations of the american experience which is rooted in predation.
But, the left doesn't want your conversation. Didn't you see the way Chuck Schumer tried to laugh that speech off? I would like to see a national conversation too, but our own are not ready for one. All the left sees is that Australia has gun control. Forget that the Aussies are not the hub for economic commerce that attracts people from the world over OR that we have as many foreigners (legal and illegal) that are NOT citizens of our country within our borders as the Aussies have as citizens. Nobody wants control of Australia. EVERYBODY that has a problem with Liberty has a problem with the United States. The left don't want to talk about the fact that America already has more people in prison than any nation on the planet OR that we have no real facilities for dealing with people with emotional / mental disorders. Nobody wants to address the fact that we consume over 80 percent of the world's opioids. They all want to deny that the war against our culture is at the root of the fact that most mass shooters are white and between the ages of 18 - 34. We don't want the responsibility of admitting that the gun control debate is not about saving lives. The left couldn't care less about your children. They know that the reason we have more people in prison than any other country on this planet is that it is part of the culture war. This gun control debate (sic) is among the last straws to change our nation. And I ask again, if it's so damn great in those other countries, how come most of the people leaving any given country come here?
Ridiculous. No one is blaming gun owners. And very few want to remove all guns that are in the country.
Diane Feinstein and Charles Schumer Charles Rangel Have all blamed Gun Owners and called for Universal Gun Bans.
This thread is total nonsense. Keep it up. You just keep proving to the true moderate independents - the critical voters - like me just what we need to do.
Wait a minute. The PARANOIA is the Democratic Party and their minions on the Russians. WE NEED OUR GUNS AND EVEN MORE FIRE POWER TO PROTECT AGAINST THE IMMINENT INVASION BY THE RUSSIANS!!!!!
I can only interpret such posts as being veiled threats. If you don't play ball with the left, they will bury you. Once you've challenged the threat to our culture, you become an instant enemy. But the games that such posters play is no less dangerous than the strategies used by political terrorists. IF the left did not simply want just gun control, they would focus on the fact that people like Dylan Klebold, Eric Harris, Adam Lanza, Nicholas Cruz, etc. etc. could have been identified as high risk people and have gotten the help they needed averting the carnage. And SSRIs all were associated with these events. BTW, some liberals argue that all of them drank water too; however, the side effects of delusions, violent behavior, thoughts of suicide, homicide, and hallucinations are NOT associated with water. https://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/ev...ears-shares-psychotropic-drugs/#axzz57WEotFkR If you don't back down, the left will make all manner of idiotic accusations to and deflecting on taking actions to prevent mass shootings instead expecting you to appease them on gun control by agreeing to incremental steps to take all our firearms away. Once you're disarmed, they will demand a totalitarian government that will reduce America to the level of a third world cesspool. We're unlike any other nation; the left cannot understand it; the left wants us to return to the very conditions our forefathers fought the War of Independence over.
No, that is a cop out. The reason there is no debate is simple, I have posted a proper strategy or idea and it should satisfy even the most staunch gun control advocate, and it already exists currently, and all I get back is Cricket chirps of silence. See, too many people, the Gun Control People, Have a fixed Agenda, and a fixed solution, and not address the real problems of which Guns are a symptom and not the disease. No, if you enter any topic and already think you know the problem, and the solution, and are Pre-Judge- iced about the other side, no real Discussion ( truce talks ) are possible. You talk about gun control, but refuse to address the problems such as illegal drugs, Gangs, addicts, Prostitotion, youth gone feral ( wild ) A Criminal sub culture. Societal ills that have created a rift between races and foments hatred on all sides. Just using a word such as "Paranoia" to brand a group proves that person is unwilling to begin a parliamentary, by hurling an Epitaph bound to result in hurt feelings and more insults. It is a poor way to begin any Diplomatic discussion.
So you think the fact that Adam Lanza's family knew, from the time he was 3, that he had mental issues and yet allowed him access to weapons is paranoid nonsense? The fact that the FBI was aware of possible problems with Nicholas Cruz is paranoid nonsense?
If you believe any discussion of gun control will end in banning all guns you are paranoid. Do you believe that?
