Gun-related violent crime: Have the Democrats/liberals ever suggested...

A gun is easier to keep fed.

 

That is somehow supposed to make law abiding citizens safer?

 

That isn’t going to make anyone safer. Of course if you can actually post any data I will reconsider. Note that anecdotes or individual instances are not data.

 

Let’s see if you can post any data to show that is going to make law abiding citizens safer.

 

Would such serve to put more individuals in danger as a result?

 

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Absolutely!

https://fee.org/articles/more-people-use-a-gun-in-self-defense-each-year-than-die-in-car-accidents/
This article indicates "In the USA there are between 2.1 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses every year." National concealed carry reciprocity (https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/38) would allow even more people, to defend themselves more often, in more locations.

 

Hard to know. Depends on the skill and training of the person with a gun.

 

From the same article:


The U.S. Department of Justice investigated firearm violence from 1993 through 2011. The report found, “In 2007–2011, about 1 percent of nonfatal violent crime victims used a firearm in self-defense.”

That leaves all the rest to defending property and not personal safety.

 

And you would take that right away from that 1%?

States with higher gun ownership typically have lower gun murder rates. Is it possible that is because of the number of guns? I live in a state with a high percentage of gun ownership. I don't personally know of anyone in my area who doesn't own a gun. I also don't know anyone in my area who has been a crime victim. From my perspective the presence of a gun makes a person safer. The Democrats should get on board with this National Reciprocity. That Democratic President we had before this current Republican guy seemed opposed to gun ownership yet he never went anywhere without an armed guard. I would like that same right!

 

Crime has fallen dramatically as the number of guns has increased just as dramatically. If guns were the cause of crime these trends would move up together. Therefore the problem is not the guns, the problem is the people. Deal with the human element, mental health infrastructure, targeting repeat offenders, intervening in gang revenge killing cycles, school bullying, all of it. That's what works.

 

if the prevalence of the guns results in more deaths than yes I would. The fact is America has the highest rate of gun ownership and also the highest rate rate f gun deaths among first world countries.

All very interesting except that the actual rate of gun ownership has gone down which is the true explanation for the charts. There are more guns but they are in the hands of fewer people.

 

The fault in your statement is that no one knows how many people are gun owners. Accuracy in such a poll is impossible. Gun owners have been becoming increasingly private on the question after many years of being under political attack. I know that I have lied to pollsters who asked if there are firearms in my home, I know other gun owners sho have done the same.

After decades of political assault and legislation heaped upon law abiding people, a growing reluctance to tell a voice on the phone that you have a gun in the house is to be expected. No one knows the percentage of gun owning Americans.

 

The majority of which are suicides, and thus do not count in the discussion, as they are not an example of firearm-related violence.

Except for the simple fact that there is absolutely no evidence to support this claim, as there are no actual records of legal firearm ownership. The only thing that is had are random surveys that cannot be verified in a scientific manner, and demonstrate nothing except for the number of individuals who are willing to answer a random and particularly invasive question.

 

Yup. It's better to prevent a crazed lunatic from obtaining a gun in the first place than to arm people so that they can engage in shootouts with a crazed lunatic. That's why gun control makes so much more sense to me.

“An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
- Benjamin Franklin

 

Then remove the supposed "crazed lunatic" from the equation entirely, so that they are not able to actually obtain a firearm in the first place. There is literally no legitimate reason for a so-called "crazed lunatic" to be free in society where they pose the greatest risk of harm. Remove them from the equation, either through euthanasia or indefinite confinement for the duration of their natural lives, and they will no longer be able to pose a risk of harm to anyone.

 

Ah, the old argument that one can only trust data that agrees with ones position. But glad to see that you don’t actually believe the data you posted either.

And by the way your quibble about the fact that less families have guns is logically incorrect since the same argument would apply to the historical data as well.

 

Your lack of understanding about how polls work is obvious. And like all attempts to discredit statistics that disagree with your preconceived notions your same incorrect assumptions should in your mind also validate all pro gun ownership data about how owning guns prevents crime.

 

And yet random surveys and anonymous polls hold absolutely no scientific veracity since they are incapable of being proven. The claim that legal firearms ownership in the united states has decreased is nothing more than wishful thinking based entirely on impossible to prove survey data.

The simple truth is that there is absolutely no evidence, none whatsoever, to indicate just how many legal firearm owners there are in the united states. The only thing resembling evidence to indicate the number has increased, is the number of records on background checks performed by the FBI prior to firearm purchases. The only thing resembling evidence to indicate the number has decreased, is how many individuals are willing to answer random, invasive questionnaires over the phone by complete strangers. who may or may not be criminals looking for locations to rob.

 

Last I heard all 50 states had laws against murdering innocent people. Last I heard there were murders in all 50 states. What's that have to do with guns? Everything, its not the laws, its the people. There is no gun problem in America, there is a people problem. Fix that and leave law abiding citizens alone...

 

I know how polls work, link it up and lets take a look...

 

Funny how when the facts go against them the last justification is always the polls are wrong.

 

So you are saying the people of the US are more evil than the people in all those countries with lower gun death rates?

And it is silly to say leave the law abiding citizens alone since some gun crimes are committed by people with no previous criminal records.

 

Such is indeed the case.

What percentage? Detail such.

 

Are you claiming that no shootings are committed by people with no previous convictions. Doubt you are that foolish.