Guns And Ammo Being Bought Up In Wake Of Coronavirus

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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Donor

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    Australia doesn't matter, the U.S. is not Australia and is not comparable to Australia.

    We have a totally different population.
     
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    Assuming neither yourself, nor the member Nightmare515 are prone to engaging in criminal activity, then neither truly faces a substantial risk of being met with such violence. Largely, the majority of firearm-related homicides are limited to individuals engages in criminal activity, such as the distribution of illicit narcotic substances.

    At the same time, what was the confirmed level of risk of being shot and/or killed even before the Port Arthur incident, since such statistics were already on the noted decline?
     
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  3. M.A. Survivalist

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    Most of which are either suicides or gang related.
     
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    Still safer in those countries with gun control
     
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    How many mass shootings in America?

    How many in Australia?
     
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    How many mass killings have been committed in the nation of Australia since the Port Arthur incident?

    In the twenty four years since the Port Arthur incident, there have been fourteen incidents in the nation of Australia that have either met or exceeded the four victim minimum necessary to meet the classification of a mass killing. As well as eleven incidents that have been one victim short of meeting that minimum victim count.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

    Going by the available statistics, assuming the source material is accurate, the number of mass killings after the Port Arthur incident have not experienced a significant decline when compared to the number of mass killings prior to the Port Arthur incident.

    Perhaps there is a slightly reduced chance of being shot by an assailant, but the data would suggest this reduction has resulted in an increased chance of being stabbed, struck with a motor vehicle, or otherwise meeting death by arson.

    What meaningful difference does a change in implement make if a great number of individuals are still being murdered per each incident?
     
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    Errrrr

    Nice try at goal post shifting the FBI definition is four murdered not four people injured

    If we apply YOUR definition to America then the mass shooting count would be many multiples higher
     
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    Try re-reading what was posted, the key word is victim, not injured, a word which does not appear in the entire post.

    Comprehension is important to understanding what has been posted.

    I realize that doesn't fit your anti-gun narrative but that's just the way it is.
     
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    Me, didn't I say that already?
     
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    Sorry

    Yes you are correct

    I would love to see the firearm mortality rate in the USA fall but I doubt that will happen in my lifetime
     
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    Open your eyes it has been falling since the 80's.
     
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    Injuries were not counted in pointing out the number in mass killings in the nation of Australia, only deaths were counted in pointing out there have been fourteen mass killings in the nation of Australia since the Port Arthur incident, as well as twelve incidents that were only one death short of being classified as a mass killing.
     
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    I would too, but if dropping the firearm mortality rate in the US means giving up my right to own firearms in the US then the firearm mortality rate here is a necessary evil. I'm a pretty straight to the point sort of guy who doesn't beat around the bush too often. I don't want anybody to die, but in modern society we do operate on an "acceptable loss" scale whether we want to openly admit it or not.

    I don't want people to die from heart disease, but I don't want the government to ban McDonalds and Arby's. Hundreds of thousands of Americans dying of heart disease annually is an acceptable loss for us to be able to eat 2000 calorie triple cheeseburgers for lunch.
    I don't want people to die from car accidents, but I don't want the government to ban cars. Tens of thousands of Americans dying in car accidents every year is an acceptable loss for us to be able to drive.
    I don't want people to die from gun violence, but I don't want the government to ban guns. Tens of thousands of Americans dying via firearm homicides every year is an acceptable loss for us to be able to own firearms.

    People can call it heartless or morbid or whatever. Bottom line is we as a society DO operate this way we just don't like to talk about it out loud because it sounds bad. We as a society ACCEPT that a certain number of people will die based on our way of life and we are ok with that. If we weren't ok with that then we would have massive protests against the fast food and sugar industry and massive protests against automobile manufacturers. But we don't see that, we don't see that because we as a society ACCEPT that people dying is a necessary evil in order to live the way we want to.
     
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    You can be just as safe in the USA, just don't be suicidal and don't get involved with gangs.
     
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    You can't compare the USA to Australia in terms of shooting, different countries, apples and oranges.
     
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    That's something the anti-gunnuts can not wrap their heads around, murder is already illegal in the U.S. with severe penalties for committing such a crime, yet they believe putting additional laws in place regulating guns, regulations with little or no penalties will lower the murder rate, which is neither logical, nor true.
     
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    We don't think or expect the worst; we simply prepare for the worst - or as worst as we are reasonably able to prepare.
     
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    They don't have to stock up on guns and ammunition; they already have it. The stories are all about first-time buyers.
     
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    The matter is not isolated purely to the united states. Even in the nation of Australia, individuals are buying up firearms and ammunition at records rates.

    As a result of such, the government of the Virginia territory has implemented a prohibition on the purchase of all firearms and ammunition. Not in an effort to prevent the unchecked spread of the coronavirus, but rather to prevent the stockpiling of firearms and ammunition.

    https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/restrictions-on-the-sale-of-firearms-and-ammunition/
     
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    I don't. I think of them before the emergency and I make sure to be well supplied with them before the emergency. If you're thinking of them when the emergency hits but not before then you're too late.
     
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    It's the same as having a fire extinguisher in the home, yes it will make a mess, but you don't lose the structure while repeating OMG, OMG, tell them to hurry, my stove is on fire, to 911.
     
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    I might fight over toilet paper. That's why I buy it before crises hit. But there are a lot of alternatives. Wipes, paper towels, etc. I keep used Walmart grocery bags for collecting non-flushable, single-use, items used for sanitary purposes so I can toss them away from the house.
     
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    So far...So far, every time I turn on the top, water comes out and I have every reason to believe it went through its entire cleaning cycle and that filters and systems are being properly maintained.

    It probably won't happen, I certainly hope it doesn't happen, but it's entirely possible that the people who maintain the treatment plants, clean or replace the filters, keep the pumps running, keep the power on to the pumps, etc., start to get sick or start to avoid work out of fear for their own safety or that of their families.

    Modern water treatment plants don't take a lot of people but they do take people. For a few days, water might stay on and be safe. The biggest risk is after the disinfectant sources are emptied or stop flowing or filters reach the end of their effective life, or any of the other steps quit working - especially if water continues to flow. You may not know it and your water may kill you.

    Far better than getting infected water, but still bad enough, would be to get no water.

    This virus, or any unknown virus or bacteriological to come, is absolutely a reason to maintain or build a stock of water, canned food, toilet paper, gloves, etc.

    FEMA suggests up to a 2-week emergency supply. In Oklahoma, we have the most beautiful, crystal-palace-like, ice storms from time to time. I have family members who were unable to get out of their house for 4 weeks during one such storm. For me, I never have less, and may or may not have more, than 4 weeks of relatively comfortable supplies in my pantry.

    It's not possible to prepare for every possible emergency and each person's risk tolerance, budget, or fear is different so I don't (many others do) try to say what is the right preparations for others but I would say having some stock is appropriate for everyone.
     
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    All preparedness is based on hypotheticals. To get to the thread topic, buying guns before or during an emergency is based on hypotheticals.

    You're generally right about things but you're wrong about this. In fact, had you not already had water I am guessing that you would have stocked up for the Wuhan Virus.
     
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    Hoarder is what the unprepared call the prepared. Though I think you're right in this exception case: hoarder is what the prepared is calling others for becoming prepared late.
     

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