'Yet American gun owners, the very people who create the U.S. civilian market that H&K supposed wants deeper penetration into, are typically conservative politically and tend to stand behind Israel. The idea of cutting off the West’s one faithful ally in a deeply troubled region won’t sit well with many in the firearms community' I have to agree...who hijacked this company? Source: https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2017/...-no-longer-sell-weapons-country-among-others/
I never cared for H&K handguns, I liked the MP-5, G-3, they were pretty good. I will not miss H&K in any case. Too many other good firearms.
I own a bunch (then again I own a bunch of other stuff). the P30 is a well made gun, the SL-8 is very accurate and we have a couple other pistols but they are overpriced for what you get and my favorite custom smith on plastic framed guns (Bowie Tactical Concepts) is not a fan of HK pistols anyway
Most of H&K offerings are too high bore axis to suit me. I prefer a 1911 style, for the most part and a crisp single action trigger. I might be making my last bow in LE soon, and I do not forsee a H&K sidearm in the future. However, I will not likely thumb My nose at a G-3 or an MP-5...
I like high quality and extreme simplicity. Most commercialy available handguns never have both. Thankfully, I can build both what I want and need.
I read the linked article, and I couldn't make out whether they were actually stopping sales to the U.S. or not. It didn't say they were. But if they do, it's no loss to me. I don't own any HKs, and don't want to, so ... whatever.
The left conspiracy bow is a bit far considering all the other countries outside of isreal that were also banned.
Two things come to mind from this reaction. First, the implication seems to be that a company should be putting profit ahead of ethics. You might not agree with their ethical decision but the argument doesn’t seem to be against that but primarily about how it might impact their US domestic sales. The other point is of course formally, Israel includes Palestinian areas so the objectors to this policy are essentially arguing for H&K to make their firearms available to Palestinians too. I also lose pretty much all respect for any publication using click-bait headlines.
In a gun fight, the ancient S.A. Colt revolver as far as a quick first shot, and balance on target can't be beat. A well worked S&W model 10, 4 inch barrel is an old favorite, I carried a S&W model 15 for a while. Although the 1911 will always have a spot. The B.P.H. comes in dead last. Glock is Ok, I call it My Goldilocks Gun...... In between are a bunch of oddball guns.
HK is making a political statement as much as a company one. Always fascinating a German company refusing to support Israel. Never been a fan of HK guns except for the MP5 and MP10, and the P7 series. I had a love affair with the P7 that went back years. I loved how well they pointed in my hands and the accuracy I could produce with them. I sold my collection of them during a rough period financially and have always regretted it.
RE: For a fuller perspective, please consider that in the 1950s Germany not only GAVE enormous amounts of weaponry to Israel when very few other countries would sell weapons to Israel(1), (2) Additionally, while early, foreign Zionist terrorist gangs & militant foreign Jewish Colonists were busily massacring civilians & stealing their land, it was the Germans who were building virtually all early Israeli infrastructure that caused "...the deserts to bloom" This included 60 ships, roads, 3 electric power plants, grid work, railways and the trains to go on them(3). Now, if a German company choses not to aid & abet the world's oldest, ruthless & brutal foreign funded Occupation, I fully support them. (1) “German-Israeli Armaments Cooperation” http://www.bits.de/public/articles/cast06-02.htm EXCERPT “Israel profited from cooperation by having a reliable and quick source for spare parts and complete weapon systems – even in times of war, when other nations like the United States, Great Britain and France were more restrictive in supplying arms to Israel. Another advantage was the willingness of the German government to pay for these exports to Israel."CONTINUED (2) “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship” http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/ EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry. In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED (3) “The Reparations Agreement of 1952 and the response in Israel” http://web.nli.org.il/sites/NLI/Engl...Agreement.aspx EXCERPT “As part of the reparations, many goods reached Israel which helped the state economy to stabilize over the years. For example, Israel received new-fangled German-manufactured trains, which were operated for a number of years by the Israel R
Obviously, I was speaking of the actions of a German based company, not its government. Your revisionist worldview notwithstanding, spare me the bovine excrement. Israel has been under attack by its enemies since its inception. It occupied Gaza because of a war of aggression waged against Israel. Attacks continue, almost on a daily basis. Oh, and the Palestinians could have had their own state, and Israel offered to withdraw from the occupied territories and offered up pretty much a laundry list of all the Palestinian demands for peace, except one: the Palestinians had to remove the eradication of Israel and its people from their agenda for the future. And the Palestinians refused. The same Palestinians who danced in the streets when the Towers fell on 9/11. They could have had lives of Peace and Prosperity, plus self-governance, and the only concession they would have had to make was to choose to peacefully coexist with Israel. They refused that concession, and can accept the consequences for it.
Your post reads exactly like it came straight out of a Hasbara Handbook. Additionally, it seems like you've been too successfully brainwashed into believing the complete Zionist narrative by our pro Israel MSM(1) to reason with or face 3 simple facts: 1. The Palestinian Arabs were there first and were promised a large part of Palestine (the McMahon Agreement) for helping to defeat the Ottoman Turks and, like any invaded & illegally occupied people are resisting the foreign occupiers who came from far away to massacre & steal land. Can you name any other ruthlessly occupied people who have not resisted a foreign, invading force "....since its inception" 2. FOREIGN Zionist Terrorist gangs & militant Jewish colonists came from afar to massacre them, steal their land and maintain the oldest & most brutal, foreign funded Occupation in history. 3. Israel is America's greatest security threat(2). If you want to shill for America's most insidious enemy....be my guest. I took the time & effort to spend 10 - 11 months hitch hiking & walking throughout the Islamic Mid East to hear the other side of the story....have you? Now, I'm off to buy another H&K. P.S. Did you know that our US aid to the Zionist Colony is over $3 Trillion dollars and illegal under the Symington Amendment? (1) “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias” http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/09/01/commentary/world-commentary/u-s-media-coverage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.WMLm5mafK_U EXCERPT “Why does TV news look like a Netanyahu ad?” asked Chris McGreal of The Guardian on July 31, in his article on the “notoriously pro-Israel mainstream media in the U.S.” In fact, three main dailies here from mid-July to mid-August easily gave the impression that U.S. President Barack Obama, not Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, was prosecuting a war against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. The U.S. State Department continues to list the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) as a terrorist organization. Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal dispelled any doubt about which side it was on. On Aug. 2-3, its Review section gave a two-page spread — “In Defense of Zionism” — against an oversize photo of a flag-raising ceremony in Israel, in 1948.”CONTINUED (2) "ISRAEL WON'T STOP SPYING ON THE US" http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/16/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757.html EXCERPT "The Jewish state’s primary target: America’s industrial and technical secrets. “No other country close to the United States continues to cross the line on espionage like the Israelis do,” said a former congressional staffer who attended another classified briefing in late 2013, one of several in recent months given by officials from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the State Department, the FBI and the National Counterintelligence Directorate. The intelligence agencies didn’t go into specifics, the former aide said, but cited “industrial espionage—folks coming over here on trade missions or with Israeli companies working in collaboration with American companies, [or] intelligence operatives being run directly by the government, which I assume meant out of the [Israeli] Embassy.” CONTINUED
The IDF doesn't need H&K and is probably more business retaliation against IMI Systems. H&K has never really concentrated on the civilian market here anyway and the pushback for them is likely to be modest.
Are you aware, under Islamic dictates, that it is perfectly acceptable to lie to infidels? Sorry if I don't trust "the other side of the story." You didn't see Israelis dancing in the streets at the deaths of 3000 people on 9/11 either.
Spend some time reading up on the Talmud if you want to hear what it permissible for some Jews to do to Goyim. I, personally don't know any Jews or Muslims that adhere to the hateful tenets of either the Talmud or the Koran but you can find dirt on either society if you look with an open mind. . You don't trust the "other side of the story" because you've never heard it or met anyone to tell it. Additionally, you seem to rely only on pro Israel MSM rather than broadening your sources & seeing the world. Re: 9/11, Netanyahu, among other Israelis were delighted about "benefiting" from America's disaster: "We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. (Netanyahu) He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor." http://altbib.com/bak/dox/925.html The only reason you didn't see Israelis celebrating 9/11 is because it wasn't reported on Western MSM: The Five Dancing Israelis (Mossad) on 9/11
No, I rely upon the information I was briefed with as a member of Federal law enforcement, and upon the information given to me by friends and colleagues who serve and have served overseas in a number of intelligence/military operations. Far more trustworthy to me than the propaganda you like to post.
Right... If you didn't know the facts about the "5 Dancing Israelis" & Netanyahu's quote you can't be as informed as you claim to be.
I know some about it. Including why the Israelis were released. But, that's as deep down this rabbit hole as I'm interested in going.
