Half of All U.S. Adults Have Immediate Family Member Currently or Previously Incarcerated

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  1. BahamaBob

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    Good points. With any substance there are users and there are abusers. The lobbies that push for the legalization of these substances only talk about how responsible users would benefit. They never mention the cost of the abusers.
     
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    No, I don't think so. Anyone can be locked up for a short time, in cases of mistaken identity, misdemeanor cases that end up with mostly public service punishments, or just having a bad day and taking it out on a passing cop. One woman I knew who took public service as her punishment for possessing less than three ounces of marijuana said if it ever happened again, she was going to take the 90 days because the public service was such a pain. One guy I knew spent almost six months, and several of those in jail, trying to clear his name from a bank robbery charge. Another I know online spent a year in prison until he was finally cleared of a murder charge because he shot a home intruder. There are all kinds of reasons you can end up behind bars.

    Minor point, and one I didn't get for a long time, "prison" is where you go for long term incarceration; "jail" is where you go for short term lockup.
     
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    At least in Florida, Jail is ran by the Sheriffs department and holds the accused awaiting their day in court. You can also be sentenced to a term in jail not to exceed one year (though some inmates going thru trial can be in county jail for longer)

    Prison is a state ran facility and sentences can range from a year and one day, (the shortest) to multiple life sentences (the first one being the hardest, anything else is just symbolic)

    Don't know how it is these days, but the last time I was in (over a decade ago) There was no longer parole (only grandfathered case, still on the books, having been sentenced under the old system)

    And the minimum you could serve was 85%, assuming you were a good boy and got your 3 days of gain time a month.
    Gain time was very easy to lose. Any DR (disciplinary referral) could get 30 days + in solitary plus loss of gain time.

    Even a CC (corrective consultation) While not resulting in solitary, could lose gain time. I once got a CC for having a banana sticker on my cell mirror.

    Prison has much more "freedom" than county lockup, though both suck ass.
     
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    It's not a random picture. Those are the Crips, a criminal gang.
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Crips
     
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    Yeah, when my useless stepson was in county lockup it almost seemed rather pleasant. He got to call home over and over and over until someone picked up and accepted the call. He twisted an ankle from playing basketball. Now that he's up state his calling is more restricted but I haven't heard of any complaints. One thug from my old neighborhood, he was always in trouble as a kid and did his share of bullying us younger kids. He went to jail a couple times and then got out around the time I was living at home after getting out of the military. He got a job as a shoe salesman but soon after went into a local 7-11, pretended to have a gun and then went across the street to wait for the police. He found it much easier in jail, free room, 3 squares a day, free medical, it was much easier than life outside the prison.
     
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    My last time in (over a decade ago). I was a minimum security state inmate, working on a public works squad.
    A chubby black man, Officer ******* Cloud, told me, "you will be back".
    He said "drugs will give you a different Identity"

    That stuck with me and I have fond memories of that man. He was right, except for the "I will be back" part (knock on wood)
     
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    Stalin was not a dictator. Stalin obey the results of voting by members of the Politburo on a particular issue (according to the party’s charter) and the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet (on the USSR Constitution). Sometimes, some of Stalin’s initiatives were rejected. In addition, Stalin submitted to the decision of the Congress of the CPSU (b) - CPSU.
    To call Stalin a dictator, it's just like calling a dictator Trump, Merkel, Macron and any other leader of the country.
     
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    Stalin, Tolstoy, Tchaikovsky or Gagarin are all great people and humanists.
    For example, Stalin devoted his whole life to creating an equal opportunity society. Under Stalin, Russia had free medicine and education. Under Stalin in Russia, 100% of the population became literate. Under Stalin, in the USSR there were no unemployed. Under Stalin, people received housing for free. .... and so on. And in general, from a backward agrarian country, Salin created the second economy of the world. Is not Stalin a great man and not a humanist?
     
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    Lenin defined the concept of "State". He defined - "The state is a dictatorship of the ruling class in the interests of the ruling class." This applies to any state. For example, under Stalin, the ruling class was the proletariat, that is a working man. The state carried out a dictatorship in the interests of the working people. Now in Russia and the United States, the ruling class is oligarchs. And therefore the state carries out dictatorship in the interests of the oligarchs.
     
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    Why by chance? These are typical criminals in the United States. Let tolerant idiots choose pictures with their hypocrisy. I call a spade a spade.
     
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    More to the point, what is wrong with American society that causes/creates so many felons? This could be applied to most countries.
     
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    no kidding, and we elect people like Trump on top of it, individual 1?
     
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    So all of America's problems and felons appeared in the last two years. There are some crazy thoughts out there!!
     
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    individual 1?
     
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    Don't you reckon that a judge in the sentencing phase could come to the same conclusion you have about 'career criminals'? Why should the legislative branch determine sentences? One size DOES NOT fit all.

    Yeah, smokes poison the body, but meth, coke and opiates might not, if used responsibly. You may not realize it, but there are valid uses for cocaine, and the opiates. Desoxyn has been a prescription item for many years, and I think it is one form of meth.

    It appears you were converted during your time in. Our criminal justice system is not wise or efficient. It does more harm than good.
     
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    Oh, now you wish to draw attention away from whether or not 50 years is a significant period of time and, instead, analyze the minutiae of what Stalin was...? OK, with microscope at the ready, please re-examine what I actually wrote (because I've seen the inside of more than one history book myself): I wrote that Stalin became a de facto dictator after he had initially been the General Secretary of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union. I usually choose words carefully... and that care was applied to the descriptor, "de facto"....

    What does it mean? In law and government, de facto (/deɪ ˈfæktoʊ/ or /di ˈfæktoʊ/; Latin: de facto, "in fact"; Latin pronunciation: [deː ˈfaktoː]) describes practices that exist in reality, even if not legally recognized by official laws. Surely we may agree (?) that whether or not Stalin was given the appellation of "dictator" officially, that is, in fact, exactly how he projected and utilized his power. If not, then feel welcome to continue in your belief that Stalin was not (NOT) a 'dictator'....

    Now, did you have anything to add about the significance, or, insignificance of 50 years?

    One thing seems certain -- if we don't enforce laws designed to protect society, then society will eventually be destroyed by -- those who break the laws.... Best to lock them up, and keep them locked up!
     
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    Comrade just had a bit too much vodka yesterday. :)
     
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    The article has nothing to do with The Crips. So it's a random picture. You might as well put up a picture of those white armed alt right peeps walking around with their confed flags yelling "the Jews will not replace us". Hence I call it out,.. just racist to use a picture of minorities. It's as simple as that.
     
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    So are them white armed alt right people yelling "the jews will not replace us".
    Those are typical American white terrorists. Every Jew is scared of them, and fear they are next.
     
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    I do and I am aware of all of that.
     
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    What a ridiculous allegation. So you would of been fine if white people were pictured? Finding "racism" in every little thing is crying wolf and does a disservice to ACTUAL racism.
     
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    So no prison time for white collar criminals that destroy hundreds of lives like Madoff or polluters or industry executives that knowingly sell products that kill or seriously injure people?
     
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    Wait, I thought that was the function of government!
     
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    The article is about crime and punishment. The Crips have everything to do with that.

    Those white armed alt right peeps walking around with their confed flags yelling "the Jews will not replace us" are a minority as well. Why would a picture of one minority be racist, but a picture of another minority wouldn't?

    Need I remind you that skin color isn't the sole criterion for establishing a person's status as minority or majority? I hope not.
     
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    It is for a true racist.
     

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