Half of All U.S. Adults Have Immediate Family Member Currently or Previously Incarcerated

Both Bush men are war criminals. 43 and his henchmen were convicted of war crimes in 2014 in Malaysia.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a35397/bush-cheney-war-crimes/

 

He broke contract law when in the GM bankruptcy, he committed a felony when he threatened them with IRS audits if they did not submit to his plan. He also used the IRS to harass conservative groups. He armed drug lords in fast & furious. In other words, your usual Chicago politician.

 

I don't see anything in that article that shows they committed a war crime. Since they had UN backing for the 1st war and congress gave the OK, if they are guilty of anything so is every member of congress who voted for it.

 

You are quite right that two branches of government are equally responsible for the war crimes.

The US attorney who ran the show found evidence that the Executive branch was more culpable for the war crimes than was the Legislative branch.

The torture and military aggression was committed by POTUS and Company, even though it was sanctioned and facilitated by the Legislative with its AUMF.

One could argue that Bush & Co were more culpable than Congress, but it's close.

 

I pretty much gave up. At first I thought he was ignorant, then stupid. Now I think he's just delusional or flat-out insane. I've heard of Holocaust deniers, but I've never heard of a Stalin denier before. Even Khrushchev admitted Stalin was a monster. And Khrushchev was no saint by anyone's standards.

https://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/stalin-denounced-nikita-khrushchev

 

I have a better idea, lets scrap all prohibitions on drug use by adults. Drug use is the same as alcohol drug use.
nobody but the government and legit taxpaying companies getting revenue from drug use as it is now. Theft, overdoses (meds are regulated strength no fentanyl) shootings, are all cut drastically. Most prisons are filled with drug related crime, going forward that will not be the case, The police freed from prosecuting drug crimes a portion of that savings goes to rehab and anti/responsible use of drugs. Kids can play again in the streets, thugs will not be made rich, murdering cartels will have their income stream stopped. Cops can go arrest violent people and thieves and incarcerate them for 2x as long as they do now. Drug addicts pay $5 a day for meds for their habit like alcoholics do. They want to stop, they will then be treatment centers for them to stop, at a fraction of the cost of incarceration. No more old ladies being fearful of thier lives by having a pocketbook stolen, house break ins, shootings.

 

Generally I agree, but people who know better than me say that's not the solution.
https://www.narconon.org/blog/the-problems-with-drug-legalization-no-one-wants-to-talk-about.html
https://theweek.com/articles/769168/why-america-regret-legalizing-marijuana
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikead...tion-causing-more-violent-crime/#700f05682c3b
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...na-legalization-and-answers-our-drug-problems

 

Mostly, I blame such gross misunderstanding of things which are so obvious on the public school systems. If the kids aren't taught anything of substance or consequence, how can they ever begin to understand anything...?

Back on topic, I must admit, though, that improved understanding of important topics -- like unrestricted drug use throughout the country -- is gained by having a nice, big piece of it turned loose in your own state! My mind is changing about legalizing drugs... but I had been completely in FAVOR of it....

Here in Colorado, we were the first to legalize marijuana for 'recreation', and many of us (even Conservatives like me) voted for it because we wanted to enjoy the benefits of a huge TAX bonanza.

Well... we've gotten the increased taxes, but we've also gotten a very large increase in the sheer numbers of homeless, worthless bums who pour into Colorado (needing all kinds of liberal-inspired, expensive "SERVICES"). And, oddly, we've also had a huge increase in illegal, unlicensed pot-growing operations in a very large 'black market'. So, now we have to spend a lot more money on resources and effort for policing the whole damned thing....

I never thought I'd say this, because I voted FOR total legalization, but it appears now that there are just too many people who are too stupid, lazy, and, well, worthless to be given complete freedom in their choices after all. I REALLY hate saying that, but it is coming to be true, right here in Colorado.

 

I don't care about what intellectuals and professional people who have a personal stake in the present war on drugs say. Their solutions do not work. it is making a criminal class of our poor, "regular" citizens are hooked accidentally and and forced to crime as they are not enough treatment centers.

We are faced with a disaster in our cities and throughout our country, and it is self imposed on us by a bunch of people who want to tell adults citizens how they should live their lives at a cost of turning Chicago to to war zone.

Drug addiction is a medical and not criminal issue and it should be treated as such.

 

Yes, I believe that is how many parts of Europe treat the problem, as a health issue, not criminal. But, they don't for the most part legalize all those drugs.

 

But I want them legalized period. Just like alcohol sales. I don't want the drug user having to spend 100/200 a day for his habit but 10-20. Perocset tablets cost about .15 cents to manufacture but the street value is $20, If a guy needs 5 or 6 a day not to get dopesick it cost society $1.00 a day to give him his pills. Now if it costs a addict $10 a day he can still be somewhat productive member so society like 90% of the alcoholics are in this country. Now the pill/pot mfg hire people who pay taxes, their profits are taxed, the liquor stores now have another source of revenue and they pay taxes. Now some addicts will commit crimes to get the $10 and not work or panhandle, those you jail and they recieve treatment. But the amount of crime is greatly reduced. We spend an estimated 1trill a year on illegal drugs never mind the cost of enforcement and incarceration. That is one trill less in crime

 

Interesting. I've been coming around to the idea of legalization (slowly) based on the economic argument, that legalizing drugs would make Americans rich and Mexican drug lords poor. Why do you think the black market is occurring if marijuana growing is legal? Licensing too expensive and prohibitive to do it legally? Or is the price of legally grown marijuana that much higher than street drugs that it pays to grow it illegally?

 

The price of legally-grown and marketed marijuana is very heavily taxed in Colorado, and very expensive! There's probably lots of opportunity, then, for illegal "grow" operations to elbow their way into the overall procurement plans for a growing industry in this state, and beyond. These black market guys frequently get busted with VERY elaborate and large-scale operations!

The stuff sold today by everyone is very powerful and of very high quality. The stuff my generation smoked back in the late 1960's and early 1970's was of much lower potency, but it was fun. Relatively cheap, too -- we'd typically buy one ounce-baggies full of 'manicured' marijuana of mediocre quality (with some seeds and stems) for ten bucks. That was a fair price back-in-the-day. Today, MJ costs much, much more than that, but the quality is vastly superior, too.

I don't smoke the stuff (it's stoopid to smoke anything, as far as I'm concerned). And, now I'm an old guy and don't want to screw my body up and make myself miserable like some people I know.

 

Economically, then, it seems like they're doing it wrong. If you make it legal but keep the barriers to entry high, you don't get rid of the underground market, crime, etc. There's no reason to make drugs legal if you don't also make them cheap. Too cheap for the black market to compete. Like there's no black market in gasoline because no one can make gasoline cheaper than the major oil refineries.

 

To keep things in perspective, this country has spent more than a century enforcing the drug prohibition. Consider what it has brought us: drugs in prison, drugs sold and traded by children, police officers getting into the drug business by way of stolen drugs, and of course our CIA has been in the drug business since its inception.

Prohibition works ONLY for those bureaus and bureaucrats who profit from it.

 

It baffles me that something so common sense would not be considered and even talked about. All you here is the scare that millions of people are going to get addicted because it is legal. These same people are going to get addicted to alcohol or illegal drugs. Now some more will become addicted as the price point would make it easier to do, but the addiction does not cast society anywhere near what the war on drugs cost, in lives, police resources, incarceration, crime committed to innocents, family's broken, carrers gone.