Halsey says good riddance to concertgoers leaving show during abortion rights speech

You keep telling yourself that right up until election day

 

oh, you're right, just like slavery when the States decided

 

I guess if we follow that logic abortions are 100% enjoyment. Wild.

 

Biden may lose the midterms, Trump lost the midterms too, that is normal - what would not be normal is if Biden won the midterms

 

I'm all for a national standard on abortion. The problem is radical positions on both sides which is inevitable in hostile situations.

There is no right answer- but there are answers in terms of guideposts for almost everything. One that particularly applies here is that the people trying to impose controls on others have no skin in the game, no responsibility or consequence as a result of the decisions they want to impose on others. That's a fundamental transgression on another persons right to control their own life.
Nothing governments have done ever set sensible guidelines, and until they do, they are failing and should leave it alone.

 

This is exactly why I refuse to watch Disney or any other show that is obviously catering to some political point. If I want politics I'll watch a political commentator, the news, or come here. Rest of the time...keep it out of my damn life!

 

I agree. Same sex marriage is an example of this propensity for SCOTUS to not let you decide.

 

Would everyone settle for a compromise on a national standard? I would be willing to consider it but it would have to always stay the same and not extend and shrink depending on who has power at the time. 12 weeks or 1st trimester except for the life of the mother and severe deformity allowing no quality of life would be my maximum limit in the search for said national standard. Otherwise leave it to the county one lives in.

 

Obviously we would never get everyone to agree on any standard. As for me, I highly regard the right of individuals to make the decisions that apply only to them, so I give the person involved the most latitude- we being not directly involved are not entitled to dictate. But still all choices should be made in a responsible manner, and in respect to some level of social standards.
My thought would be a cutoff date more of viability, so no third trimester, and I would specifically include rape, incest, as well as deformity and other major defects. My objective would relate to the importance of quality in life and potential- both for mother and child. But I don't want to force decisions on anyone, so I'm advocating what I consider reasonable limits. Of course, reasonable varies with every person.

IF we could reach some kind of national policy that was actually viable and could bring some stability to the situation, that would have substantial benefit. Fighting, rioting, marching, etc- tends to fix nothing but fuels the arguments.

 

It may not hand the election to the Democrats, but it does make the outcome more uncertain. It certainly won't hurt the Democrats by any means.

 

Under what enumerated federal power would such a national standard be imposed under?

The extremists on abortion have NEVER compromised. Are you sure that a week after the issue was returned to the State Legislatures that we should be talking "compromise"? For what purpose? So that they like us, they won't. So that we can get along? We won't. They will take what ever we give away and continue to push for abortion to the instant of womb separation.

Remember how we were assured by the 'smartest' that abortion anger would bring the Left storming to the polls?

I THINK WE’RE SEEING THAT ABORTION ISN’T A HOT-BUTTON ISSUE FOR AS MANY PEOPLE AS THE POLITICAL CLASSES BELIEVED: NYT: Suuuuure doesn’t look like the end of Roe impacted turnout.

The voters, across the spectrum have been both singular and crystal clear about what their issues are: #SHUTUPANDFIXINFLATION!

Those with ears to hear, let them hear!

 

Uh no. Let me restate the very nature of law is a moral statement. You don't pass laws because they will automatically prevent people from violating those laws but because society has to make a bright line statement about what it will and will not tolerate. To be sure, one must be careful about what those are lest one create a nation of scoff laws.

 

it's the women's body, not my place, your place or the government's to decide

 

Government and society has a vested interest in protecting life. So yes, we do have a say.

 

nope, forcing rape victims to have their rapists babies is not something are government should be doing

 

How many people left? A few dozen? A couple of hundred? It's a 15,000 seat arena, there were bound to be a few whack-jobs in there.

 

Her prerogative to talk about it, their prerogative to leave. As far as I'm concerned, not much to see here.

You were fine with one being made president. And it isn't like his eating habits are anything to write home about.

 

Mostly quoting to keep this bookmarked for the fallout to come so that I can keep backing you up on this only-rational response against those who will claim that that the loss of individual rights to state government involvement is somehow "freedom."

 

But what the people think of laws is a huge variable. When people feel they are being cheated, they also feel that cheating is now fair in the game.
What we tolerate in the conduct that affects only yourself and the conduct that affects others are two different categories, and the license to dictate decisions is only valid when other people are affected. Some insist that alcohol did that, though it was usually in a somewhat remote fashion, so we created prohibition- and a monster.

 

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Even if that was true the Supreme Court ruled right in that it took the decision out of the Federal Governments hand and put it back in the states hands where it was originally. No where in our Constitution does it say's a woman has a right to an abortion. The East and West Coast left keep forgetting that we are a Republic with minority rights and not a majority mob rules government.

 

Actually his (Rasmussen)polls are among the most accurate

 

Except when they tell you to wear a mask?
Either the government has an interest in protecting life or they don't. You can't pick and chose which lives the government chooses as their interest to protect cause you don't like wearing a mask.

 

I wore my masks whenever required, rest of the time I didn't. Try again.

 

Many European democracies have 12-14 week limits. Also I didn’t mention rape or incest because with a now no questions asked 12 weeks in my proposal, they’d get to do it if they want to. My personal preference is no abortion at all except for rape and incest within 2 weeks of discovery of the pregnancy and life of the mother and severe deformity as mentioned before when ever in the pregnancy it’s discovered.