Hamas fires rockets at Israel

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On Friday night five rockets were fired at Israel from Gaza.
    The targets were civilians and the intent was to kill.
    The Israeli Defense Force struck some Hamas buildings in response.

    It can be presumed that that within a day there will be media headlines saying
    "Israel strikes Gaza."

    I can think of no other country which would put up with this. And maybe this is
    the reason Hamas or its offshoots do this.
    But now Hamas is fighting a new enemy - one that doesn't blow up empty buildings
    - Al Qaeda and Islamic State suicide bombers are targeting Hamas. There's a
    certain karma in that, given all the Israeli buses, restaurants and crowded venues
    torn apart by Hamas suicide bombers before the wall was erected.
     
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    O.k., here is the link, in case someone is actually interested to read some more details:

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/I...za-Strip-after-rockets-fired-on-Israel-600879
     
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    No, you got it the wrong way around. Not within a day, it was the day before when Israel once again killed Palestinians "Prior to the rocket fire, two Palestinians were killed and 76 others were injured during massive protests along the Gaza border." straight from the link that you did not bother to quote
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and lets be quite clear about this, the Palestinians by International Law have the right to protest without being killed by Israeli snipers. The only legal reason Israel could kill a protester was if they were an immediate threat to life and the soldier had no other way of stopping them.
    and lets also be quite clear about this, Israel is firing at them from land the Palestinians are legally entitled to.
     
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    Yeah right. That country killed civilians the day before, who protested against racial oppression. The country and it's people do not care, and so they become targets of their own racist policies they support. And here you go pretend there was nothing going on and they were attacked out of the blue.
     
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    Palestinian government
    suck as it is
    demonstrates their inability to govern their turf
    if not complicit with such rocket attacks.


    Moi :oldman:



    Don't :flagcanada:ize, :flagus:
     
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    Mark Steiner interviews Gideon Levy

    extract

    Gideon Levy

    Full interview

     
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    Go, go Israel! You have all my support!
     
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    Yes, Palestinians were throwing grenades, Molotov cocktails and incendary devices
    at IDF personnel. If Gazans were up against Russians, Chinese, most African people,
    Nth Koreans, Cubans etc they wouldn't dare do this because they would be shot.
    It's precisely because of IDF restraint they do this - they are not afraid. If Israel said
    it would simply shoot on sight anyone trying to breach their borders there would be
    no Palestinian trying it.
    I am sure, given time, that Gazans, like Hezbollah and their Iranian backers, will have
    more accurate missiles. This is the on-going issue right now in Lebanon - the building
    of guided missiles which are aimed at Israel. If Hezbollah should launch their 150,000
    missiles at Israel I think Israel should simply nuke all major Lebanese cities.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel has no settlements in Gaza. The kill ratio comes about because Israel has better military equipment

    1 - Hamas won't do a deal with Israel - and they had a good one with Peres govt..
    2 - Arabs want to internationalize their issue instead of dealing with Israel - at the risk of triggering
    world war III - as happened in1967 and 1973.
    3 - Hamas uses civilians as cannon fodder, even to taking children to the border to "protest" under
    the watchful eye of the international media.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are quite right that this is "racial"
    It's about antisemitism - many of the Jews in Israel today were driven out of Arab countries
    It's about spreading this antisemitism around the world.
    It's about calling Jews "the sons of pigs and moneys" - that's sexist and specist too, in case
    you are completely PC controlled.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, two were killed, with lead bullets I presume. Hurling grenades and Molotov cocktails
    at the IDF and seeking to destroy the security fence. That fence, BTW, was put there to
    stop Palestinian suicide bombers from entering Israel and blowing up buses, restaurants,
    cinemas and the like. Works a charm.
    The IDF use a plastic bullet. If that doesn't work they use a rubber bullet and if that
    doesn't work they use a lead bullet. You have plenty of warning.
    Sad, because Israel offered open borders to Gaza, a rail link, airport, seaport, industrial
    parks etc.. Gaza withdrew from that deal because, they said, four Palestinians on the
    West Bank were killed in a car accident. Clearly, Hamas would rather fight and use their
    own people as cannon fodder for Islamist causes.
     
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    That is just a zionist lie. The Arab peninsula banned Jews to leave, while Jews in North Africa, mostly in Algeria accepted French citizenship to fight Arabs to racially oppress them in the colonial days. The thug colonial reign ended, and so the French citizens went back to France where they belong.

    You're just entering a fallacy that Jews were ethnically cleansed, as a way to justify that Jews now have the right to ethnically cleanse Arabs. That argument, besides the fact that Arabs did not ethnically cleanse, is utterly and utterly racist. Is an Aryan now allowed to rape a random Jew because of Weinstein, or steal from a random Jew because of Bernard Madoff? According to your logic, the Aryans can do that.

    Insanity.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of the 400,000 Jewish refugees from seven Middle East countries, about 180,000
    of them came from Algeria. They were told to get a ticket out, or get a coffin.
    There is a case coming up in the UN soon which will seek reparations from these
    seven nations. Until now Israel has hardly mentioned this racist injustice. I say having
    the whole of the West Bank and Gaza is a good exchange for all the ethnic cleansing
    of Jews.
    Or maybe, Palestinian "refugees" can go live in the homes of all those hapless Jews
    driven out of Arab nations. That's a good deal too.
     
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    Tit for tat... it could be brutal, alexa.

    More and more countries are sighting with Israel and supporting Israel. More and more countries withdrawing aid from Palestine. More nd more countries are opening embassies in Jerusalem. What does it tell you, alexa?

    Tells me volumes.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do the have the right to fly Molotov balloons into Israel, damage Israel’s national borders or fire rockets into Israel?

    Yes or no, alexa?
    Yes or no?
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Algeria#After_WWII
    During the Algerian War, most Algerian Jews took sides with France, out of loyalty to the Republic which had emancipated them, against the indigenous Independence movement / but a larger group made common cause with the OAS, secret paramilitary group. / In 1961, with the French National Assembly Law 61-805,[23] the Mozabite Jews, who had been excluded from the Cremieux Decree, were also given French citizenship.

    As I said. They fought for France, with their French citizenship, to violently oppress Arabs for thug colonial racist rule. And than, when Algeria became independent, the French went to France.

    As I noted before. It's a utterly racist point of view to claim the Jew has a right to ethnically cleanse some random Arab for what was done to some random Jew in an totally other country. Besides that the jew wasn't even wronged in that totally other country. It accepted a different nationality and stabbed it's neighbor in it's back to racially oppress him. The French back stabber eventually went home.... to France. No ethnic cleansing.
     
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    1. Invade and formally annex the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

    2. Deport all Israelis and give the entirety of Israel to Hamas.

    Pick one.

    The Israel-Palestine issue is difficult because these are the only two viable long term options and nobody wants to admit it.
     
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    While the choices you present are false ones, even when the "two-state solution" was being hailed as the proper way to handle the issue, I considered a 'pipe dream' and a hoax. You can't cut this baby in half or another fraction, and have either side who legitimately may view themselves as the parent, be left happy. That doesn't quite work.

    The real solution for Palestine is also not found in more ethnic cleansing and such other acts which amount to genocide. The right solution for Palestine is along the lines I have outlined before: A confederate solution which would organize Palestine/Israel into a Jewish homeland (Israel), an autonomous capital city (Jerusalem), along with the states for Gaza and the West Bank. That is the right solution, but the right solution requires a change in the balance of power first.
     
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    Hamas rockets may be a tit for tat but it was Israelies with American support who against all International law have been deliberately killing and maiming Palestinians since their legal protest began. This has in particular included the killing and maiming of Medics, the press, children and the disabled. It disgusts and American support of this inhumanity disgusts as much as Israel doing it..

    I noticed when I was looking at the video of Mark Steiner and Gideon Levy describing the inhumanity Israel is inflicting on the Palestinians that how Israelis speak of them reminded me of how many pro Israelis on this forum also do. Steiner says something else on that video which I think is worth mentioning and possibly discussing.

    Mark Steiner
    source video in post 8.

    There are now tens of thousands of civilians from Gaza who have been killed and injured by Israel while going on a legally allowed protest. As we know from previous discussion this was an intended tactic by Israel from the beginning.
     
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    This report from Amnesty is just six months after the Great March of Return protests began

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2018/10/gaza-great-march-of-return/

    That was after only 6 months. It is now about 18months and the killing and injuring has gone on every week since then.

    When it got to one year Israel had killed at least 190 and injured 28,000 for protesting which is an activity allowed by International Law which the people of Gaza have the right to do without being murdered or maimed for life, medics have the right to help those so harmed and the press has the right to report this without themselves being killed and injured.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/n...9/a-year-of-bloodshed-at-gaza-border-protests

    You will see from the Guardian article that at the time of writing that women and children made up more than a quarter of those killed and injured.
     
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    A question: what is the purpose of this fence?
     
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    What are women and children doing in such dangerous places?
    Did the Guardian cover the deliberate targeting of shops, restaurants,
    schools and buses by Hamas before the fence was built?
     
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    To keep the Palestinians trapped and out of the land which is legally theirs.
     
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