hammer-wielding attacker yelling 'Allahu Akbar' in France

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  1. FreedomSeeker

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    ONE attack does not show that Islam is a violent religion.
    But, uh, THIS many does!!

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    Yes, "our god says we can have this land!" Pathetic.
     
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    So then you condemn Muslims as bigoted, like I do, right? Or are you going to give bigotry a pass here?
     
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    Where exactly is he wrong? The reason you just condemned the SOURCE is likely because you can't condemn what was actually said.
     
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    As is all religion.
     
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    A pretty insecure god/prophet, it sounds like.
     
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    Your God says you can thieve and murder to thieve that land.
    Extremist much?
     
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    Tell us more about how that god "says you can thieve and murder to thieve that land."
     
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    The part where Saudi Arabia, full with hard core devoted muslims, doesn't got a policy to kill the infidel, but the opposite... kill the terrorists. That shows it all that context and a scholar explaining it matters greatly, where he uses a site that only is about ripping things out of context in an attempt to prove the opposite of reality.
     
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    In what "context" is it ok to, say for example, BEAT women (Q4:34), or kill gays, or crucify as punishment (Q5:33), or fight us until we are all Muslims (Q8:39)!?
     
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    Don't you know how the Jews left marching with their smiling faces over the corpses of dead babies on their way to Canaan?
     
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    That sounds TERRIBLE. What book are you getting that from?
     
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    The part that Q4:34 is like 50 words long, and that it also commands men to share their wealth with their wife and not the other way around.
     
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    Yeah... the mass murder of innocent babies,... so the Jews can march to Canaan to murder everybody and thieve land.
    Extremist much?
     
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    No, it says that men excel women, and that women are subordinate to men (and to BEAT them as well, of course.) Barbaric.
    "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (Shakir's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
    http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-wife-beating-koran-4-34.htm
     
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    That's EXTREME extremism! So Jews are big on stealing land, it sounds like?
     
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    Don't the Jews have the moral fortitude to improve those barbaric texts (if said texts say killing babies is ok)?
     
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    Did they change their religion? I dont recall
     
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    Yes. Yes. Yes. There's no evidence, outside of the clamoring by antisemitics, that Israel is engaged in genocide.

    OTOH, clearly many radical Muslims want all Jews eradicated.

    FWIW: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/shooting-attack-jerusalem-kills-israelis-50094159
    A Palestinian gunman killed three Israelis and critically wounded a fourth outside a West Bank settlement before he was shot dead Tuesday, dealing a new blow to the efforts by President Donald Trump's Middle East envoy to restart long-stalled peace talks.

    The early morning shooting, which took place as Palestinian laborers were lined up to enter the Har Adar settlement, was one of the deadliest attacks in a two-year spasm of violence.
     
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    Orthodox Jews who follow a literal interpretation of their texts oppose the creation of Israel believing that it is a direct contradiction of their Jewish Religion. Youll need something other than their religion to blame. Unlike the Islamic religion that directly supports perpetual war against the jews until they are in a state of subjection to their muslim masters.
     
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    the belief that

    According to Christianity
    36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    Causes me no problems. Conducive to peaceful coexistence. While on the other hand

    According to Islam
    Volume 1, Book 2, Number 26: Narrated Abu Huraira*)
    Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

    which brings about this worldwide campaign of Islamic terrorism.

    Islam teaches their followers to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers "until... religion is only for Allah."

    That
    "Whoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, they are disbelievers" [TMQ 5:44]

    "Whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are oppressors" [5:45]

    "Whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are transgressors" [5:47]...

    "And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you, and do not follow their vain desires away from the truth which came to you". [5:48]...

    That the Islamic Caliphate form of governance is

    Ibn Khaldoon "A representation, of the one who has the right to adopt the divine rules, aimed at protecting the Deen and ruling the world (Dunia) with it."

    and that in order to bring about this form of governance,

    "Jihad is an obligation from Allah on every Muslim and cannot be ignored nor evaded.... It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet." al-Banna

    Because

    "Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. ...
    This religion is really a universal declaration of the freedom of man from servitude to other men and from servitude to his own desires, which is also a form of human servitude; it is a declaration that sovereignty belongs to God alone and that He is the Lord of all the worlds. It means a challenge to all kinds and forms of systems which are based on the concept of the sovereignty of man; in other words, where man has usurped the Divine attribute." Qutb

    As an atheist and a fan of government of, by and for the people, I don't have any problem with Christian doctrine of the bible or those who choose to follow it. A BIG problem with Islamic doctrine and those who choose to follow a literal interpretation and less of a problem with all other muslims who promote the doctrine of the Koran as the divine word of allah, giving justification to those who follow a literal interpretation of that divine word.

    "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see"
    Ben Franklin

    Your hate of Christianity blinds you to your own defense of Islam, equating the two.
     
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    Make no mistake, Islam is bad.
     
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    In your view, no more "bad" than Christianity which is absurd. Christianity doesn't even concern itself with governance. Islam dictates the form of governance AND laws to be applied. The Islamic Caliphates as they existed from 632 until the 1920s, and again for the last few years, applying Islamic doctrine as law, is the rule under Islam. Its 90 years absence was the exception.
     
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