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    Wrong.

    The wound in his head was caused by a bullet which entered from above and behind as has been proven with endless reams of evidence.

    There are no photographs showing any such smoke as you claim and that is not an emotional claim it is a factual one.

    The one with such problems is you as you have been suckered and sold the story of conspiracies by various con artists and have never bothered to do any research into the matter on your own. There fore when facts are presented showing your claims are false you shut down and refuse to admit how they are wrong and respond with your head in the sand.

    Only a very few heard shots coming from anywhere other than the TSBD many ran up the knoll but that is nothing more than a herd response and nor was it immediate.

    There is no evidence to the contrary as you claim sorry and that has been proven which is why all you can do is repeat myths from a movie
     
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    Nothing explains away the clear message of the Zapruder film and the gaping exit wound at the back of JFK's skull.
    As for your psychosis and denial of the facts, who can explain that?
     
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    No one tried to explain it away.

    The simple fact is that neither the film nor the wound proves or supports your premise.

    That fact has been conclusively demonstrated
     
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    A gaping hole in the back of the head is not proof of a shot from the front? Bullets, unlike the magic "single bullet theory" of Arlen Specter, travel one way only
    going from the barrel of a gun to the target.
     
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    No such a hole is not proof of a shot from the front.

    The Bullet came from above and behind as was conclusively proven in the autopsy. You forget the simple fact that the head is a round object not a two dimensional object and it often does erupt explosively when hit with a bullet.

    Also the Magic Bullet theory was not a creation of Arlen Spector but of conspiracy theorists
     
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    Of course it is. And so is the bullet hole in the windshield of the JFK limousine which the Secret Service had replaced destroying vital evidence of other shooters than the patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald.
    https://archive.org/details/451DougWeldon20091203
    Eight eye witnesses all report seeing a bullet hole in the JFK windshield before it was removed and replaced by the managers of the fake Warren Commission
    report.

    The autopsy was a sham and a show and all doctors present in Dallas Parkland hospital, where JFK was first brought after the shooting, all report, to a man, a large exit wound in the back of JFK's skull.


    The back of JFK's head did as the millions of viewers of the Zapruder film can all attest. Lie again.

    LOL... don't strain yourself trying to
    alter the historical record. Your denials are a joke.
     
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    No sir it is not evidence of a frontal sot and that is fact if there were a shot from the front there would have been an entrance wound in his face. There was none.

    Once again you are basing your entire idiotic premise on movies and TVs but head wounds do not work the way you have been conditioned to think from TV. The head typically bursts regardless of where the bullet comes from and a large gaping wound does not automatically indicate where the bullet comes from which is why an autopsy is needed.

    Unlike you the doctors who performed the autopsy were experts and knew what they were talking about. They proved beyond your silly amateurish ability to challenge that the bullet entered from above and behind. There expertise IS evidence and trumps and destroys your premise.

    Neither have you presented any evidence except repeated assertions rooted in ignorance.

    The windshield was not destroyed nor was the evidence it was in fact removed and SAVED as evidence.

    Yes there was a hole in it determined to be from a fragment of the bullet which struck Kennedy's head. The bullet entered from the inside and exited the outside of the windshield which is IMPOSSIBLE for a frontal shot.

    Had you bothered to read the Warren Commission report you would have known this.

    Instead you lie egregiously accusing the WC of a sham and coverup without any evidence of your own.

    You are lying like a coward when you accuse someone of lying and you are to WILLFULLY ignorant to even learn WHAT they said.

    You have repeated lied about Spector inventing the magic bullet theory HE NEVER DID.

    You are repeating a lie now from a failed FBI wash out who knows nothing about the assassination and presents no evidence you only have a FICTIONAL video.

    The historic record and evidence proves your ignorance is the joke and it is proven.

    You are OVERWHELMINGLY proven wrong
     
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    Again, and for the last time, every doctor present at Parkland hospital in Dallas, all experienced ER doctors who knew a thing or two about gun shot wounds, all noted the gaping exit wound in the back of JFK's head (the entrance wound would not be in his face since he was shot in the side of the head)
    which magically was patched over after Kennedy's body was commandeered illegally by federal authorities and held while being transported to Bethesda
    where two inexperienced instructors (who had never performed a real autopsy in their lives) were instructed by a team of superiors where and what to look for. A general and some admirals took over the official autopsy and decided what was relevant and not....not actual experienced autopsy doctors!
    That alone tells you everything you need to know.

    Anyone who has ever seen the Zapruder film can plainly see the back of Kennedy's head being blown off and brain matter and blood spraying all around
    in a plume raising from that point and in that sense every viewer that has ever seen a copy of the film is an eye witness who can plainly contradict the fictitious notion that Lee Harvey Oswald shot the president from a perch in the Dallas Schoolbook Depository. It's clearly a lie.

    http://www.grandsubversion.com/jfkAssassination/atpyspg1.htm Evidence like this is ubiquitous and when even the government itself has contradicted
    the Warren Commission and their pre planned conclusions (in the House Committee Report on Association under Frank Church) you can see why most rational human beings don't believe the fiction of Oswald, the lone shooter.

    As I've said several times now I've written you off the second you tried to contradict the very laws of physics and your most recent lies (or is it just an unthinking faith in what the debunked and discredited Warren Commission tells you) about an elementary piece of evidence like the windshield from JFK's limo (which was removed and destroyed, according to eye witness testimony, which I've already documented, in the Ford garage before anyone could stop the cover up team) is laughably ignorant.
    Your insistence in a lie is creepy and inexplicable. It's frankly sickening and you are welcome to the lies you keep alive. I want no part of them or you.
     
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    Again it is irrelevant what the doctors at Parkland noticed. First of all they noticed a large wound they did NOT notice an EXIT wound. They are not the same thing.

    The doctors at Parkland were EMERGENCY ROOM doctors. Their speciality and expertise was in saving lives especially after massive trauma. They were not pathologists or experts on gun shot wounds.

    That is what AUTOPSIES are for. The doctors at the autopsy were EXPERTS in gunshot wounds and causes of death and their opinion is accurate, supported by hardcore evidence and trumps the doctors at Parkland memorial who actually tried to save JFK's life and only made casual observations of his head.

    Sorry you are proven wrong again.

    No you are also wrong and massively ignorant about the autopsy it was in fact NOT taken over by anyone military or otherwise. Unfortunately you have debunked yourself yet again. The only claim that a general or admiral took overt and directed the autopsy was invented out of thin air by Oliver Stone in the FICTIONAL movie JFK. It did not happen and no one who was present claimed that it did. You are getting your education from fictional movies once again.

    Wrong the evidence proves Oswald did it and the head wound was typical regardless of where the shot came from.

    You cannot name a law of physics which supports your claim when asked you balked and ran.

    You have written off no one you are being crushed and proven wrong everytime and you know it
     
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    Entrance wound small.....exit wound large: That's all you need to know about gun shot wounds to know JFK was shot from the front and not from some alleged
    snipers nest in a school book warehouse. Amusing you are trying to convince anyone that the ER doctors in Dallas's Parkland hospital were not well familiar
    with gun shot wounds (seeing as how that's where gun shot victims are treated, and all).

    "After the Dallas doctors declared Kennedy dead, his body was taken to Washington where doctors at Bethesda Naval Hospital conducted an autopsy and took photos of the president’s body.

    McClelland recounts when he was shown the JFK autopsy photos in 1988. He agreed the photos showed the president’s wounds as he saw them on November 22, 1963. The only exception, said Dr. McClelland, was the photo that showed the right rear JFK’s head. He said that a flap of scalp had been pulled over Kennedy’s fatal wound changing the appearance of the wound.

    “That’s where there was a massive hole in the back of his head,” McClelland said. “I looked at that hole from 18 inches for about 12 minutes.”
    http://jfkfacts.org/what-did-dr-mcclelland-think-about-jfks-wounds/

    Entrance wound small...exit wound large. Physics at work.
     
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    Except it is not an absolute truth that the exit wound is always larger especially with wounds to the skull once again your knowledge is limited to what you have seen in movies and not reality which is quite different.

    I never said anything about how familiar the Parkland doctors were with gun shot wounds. What is amusing is your childish attempt to lie about what I said.

    What I said is fact which you cannot refute. The emergency room doctors were EMERGENCY ROOM doctors their training and job was to save lives Not to examine cause of death which means they only and strictly made casual observations about the wounds while doing their job.

    The professional experts who performed the autopsy knew far more and proved conclusively that the bullet entered from above and behind.The casual observations of the Parkland doctors is as irrelevant as a cops who see's a body but mistakes the cause of death which is determined at autopsy.

    You do not comprehend physics and cannot quote a law of physics which supports your claim.

    I have asked for one and you have failed to offer one. Once again a large wound does not always translate into an exit wound as you claim and tat is fact.

    You also ignore that if it were an exit wound it absolutely REQUIRES an entrance wound in the face which there never was.

    The facts crush you as always
     
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    Here is where you deny the laws of physics again
    (and I have specifically mentioned how it violates the physical laws of the universe so I wish you would stop the lie that I've never explained how you are wrong in this regard) and it's simply a lie, or a wish, or pure ignorance to say a bullet passing through the skull will not create a larger exit wound than entrance.
    It simply will! It always does! It has no choice otherwise due to the laws of displacement (that thing you claim I never mentioned) and you could provide proof to the contrary, I suppose, but such evidence does not exist, to the best of my knowledge. To the best of
    anyone's knowledge, actually.

    Dr McClelland
    said he studied the large exit wound in the back of Kennedy's skull from a foot and a half away for about twelve minutes when he was brought in.
    It wasn't part of a forensic autopsy and he was merely commenting about what he found when the president entered the E.R.
    I'm sure even you can understand why his comments were of interest to the public and why they were a direct contradiction to the false Warren Commission
    narrative.

    :roll: A large gaping exit wound hole in the back of someone's skull (as attested to by Dr. McClelland) makes it impossible to "prove conclusively" that
    that person was shot from behind.
    Dr. McClelland also noted that Kennedy's scalp had been rearranged in such a way as to obscure the massive
    head wound (wow...I wonder why?) and those "professional experts" (who,incidentally, had never performed an actual autopsy in their lives)
    somehow missed that "little detail". Frankly, your denials are just mind boggling.

    I did long ago and this is why
    I ignore you regularly and when I don't always regret it later.

    Lie or pure ignorance? I can't decide which it is.

    Kennedy was shot in the temple area. How is it you have lived to what I presume is an adult age
    with such a lack of any perceivable intellect whatsoever?
     
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    Displacement is not a law of physics slow one and it does not prove your point.

    The doctors at Parkland are irrelevant as they did not conduct a close examination of the wound.

    they were attempting to save a life not to run an investigation.

    The autopsy proves you and them wrong and that is that.

    You are lying and have never provided a law of physics to support your claim.

    there was never any wound of any kind whatsoever in his temple
     
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    Your such a smart guy I'm sure you know about all this....right?
    The physics principle of displacement, as first expressed by Archimedes (usually referring to liquids) but also known as hydrostatic shock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrostatic_shock_(firearms), is only common sense.
    And when a bullet is launched through a skull (because that's the issue) the tissue, bone, brain matter, etc. that is DISPLACED by the lead missile burrowing through the skull is pushed (or displaced) ahead of the bullet until all this displaced tissue is pushed out the other side, when the bullet exits the skull (like all the blood, tissue and bone we witnessed flying out of JFK's skull in the Zapruder film in a crimson spray of matter) creating a much larger wound than the entrance wound due to all the tissue, displaced by the bullet smashing through body tissue (like sticking a finger through a stick of butter...think of all the butter displaced by the finger).

    "There are two distinct mechanisms of ballistic injury. Crushing of tissue resulting in a permanent tract is the primary factor in wounding of most tissues and most body regions. Temporary cavitation causes radial tissue displacement and subsequent shearing, compression and especially stretching of tissue analogous to blunt trauma. In contrast to the effect in elastic tissue, temporary cavitation can contribute substantially to wounding of inelastic tissue, such as the brain" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8547159

    But you already know all this....right? :roll:

    I already quoted Dr. McClelland on what he saw up close for an extended period of time. As an experienced and trained physician his comments are very very instructive and quite clear. His comments are only "irrelevant" to a denier
    trying to derail and obfuscate the murder of our president. Such denials are pathetic and cowardly.

    LOL...same goes for this denial.

    Be careful with the personal insults. I would hate to see
    you lose your argument AND be banned from the forum too,

    http://www.assassinationweb.com/ag6.htm
    Every single physician who saw JFK at Parkland hospital described a "right occipital/temporal" wound of entrance and a much larger exit wound
    to the back of his skull. It's all consistent with a shot from Kennedy's front unless you want to contend 15 respected competent E.R doctors were all lying or hallucinating, including seven other eye witnesses (including two Secret Service agents), who all agreed with the many doctor's opinions.

    It's hardly worth my time to dismiss such a baseless campaign of disinformation and raw denial without a scintilla of fact behind it.
     
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    Yes displacement is a principle not a law and it does not apply here. The bullet entered from above and behind exiting on the side that fact is proven.

    When round, solid objects filled with fluid and tissue ( a skull ) is struck by a high powered projectile the result is typically explosive and not clearly an indication of where th bullet came from.

    Once again you have no evidence to support this but only faulty misreading of scientific ideas and movies.

    The casual observation by McClelland is PROVEN wrong by the autopsy the fact is they presented evidence he only presented an uninformed opinion.

    I stated no insults I stated facts you are in fact stating some lies.

    Yes it is worth your time.

    You hate that I am constantly proving you wrong but you know I am doing so.

    I have facts you have hollywood
     
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    You cannot invalidate science just by saying
    it doesn't matter. This is how you get ignored by serious people.

    The massive exit wound in the back of the president's head says that's bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and so do all the physicians on duty at Parkland hospital that examined JFK.

    Now that I've documented you are wrong I can clearly label this a lie now. Two wounds in Kennedy's head: one smaller (entrance) and one gaping and much bigger in the rear of the head (exit). Displacement of tissue caused by a bullet is the reason why.

    Clearly bull(*)(*)(*)(*)!
    I have scholarly documented support and you have....blatant denial backed by who knows what.

    The first people to examine JFK (before the president's body was illegally taken by government agents and his wounds were altered secretly) were 15 respected ER physicians and they all are agreed as to what they saw

    There is nothing "factual" about your insult.

    No it is not worth my time and with this post I put you on ignore and you have lost a playmate who is tired of having science and documentation denied
    by pure obstinance and unwavering and unbacked denial.
    You posts are like a disease and I have no interest in indulging such craziness anymore.;
     
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    You should have figured out long ago that this poster is the Dr. No of any theory other than the US government's. The US government said so, that's all that matters and there's not one thing that's questionable. You'll never get a genuine adult discussion with such posters.

    The JFK assassination was a coup d'etat, plain and simple and the government's position is like just about everything its agenda requires, a coverup designed to protect the real criminals.
     
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    I am not invalidating science YOU are doing so by not accurately applying science.

    No sir as already proven the wond des not invalidate any such thing no matter how many times you scream otherwise.

    You have not documented I am wrong in fact I have documented many facts proving YOU wrong.and it is you lying especially about insulting you.

    At every turn and with every claim facts and evidence have proven you wrong and you only double down by repesting what has been proven wrong and ignoring facts.

    Sorry but is you lying and willfully so and you know it,

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    Wrong I have stated facts and you have not and neither has best friend.

    It is not a matter of who posted them it is a matter of facts and evidence.

    In EVERY 911 thread which you have entered you have only made claims and NEVER provided ANY support or evidence whatsoever for ay of your assertions and you have willfully ignored crushing evidence and facts from many people proving you wrong.

    You only have a meme about not trusting government because you think you do not and everyone else does.

    In truth you are more gullible and naive
     
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    Yours truly,

    Dr. NO
     
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    See how you have to lie and manufacture a false quote when facts are shown to you?

    This simply proves you have no facts or evidence to argue with.
     
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    Don't you ever get tired of your own silliness?
     
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    I love correcting and embarrassing people like you with facts and evidence.

    It is the childish indignation you demonstrate which is silly.
     
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    I realized this the first time I personally encountered him as he simply denied the laws of physics that say bullets crashing through a skull (like John Kennedy's) displace bone matter, brain tissue, etc. and create a bigger hole exiting the head than entering it through
    displacement.

    That's just common sense that a ten year old could understand but he has steadfastly denied what is obvious to a child. I thought at some point he might
    stop the game but it's clear to me finally that he has some sort of mental disorder (truly).

    Kennedy was killed in a coup d'etat by a consortium of cold war interests and then the same forces put together a whitewash cover up that only mental defectives and quislings still believe in. You are spot on.
     
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    I guess not. Enjoy child.
     
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    So you will just go on repeating unsupported assertions and never offer any evidence for them?

    Got it
     

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