Hard Evidence

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  1. Shinebox

    Shinebox Well-Known Member

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    these are the questions you should be asking ... your hatred of the government blinds you and leads you to information that appeals to your confirmation bias ... how anyone could have pulled off a CD in three buildings is a very legitimate question ... just like your "swapped airplanes" theory ...



    it was all on TV and witnessed ... you just want to believe the handpicked witnesses that agree with what you want to believe happened ...
     
  2. Bob0627

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    Sorry I'm not you and I don't have such narrow mentality about 9/11. I ask real questions about the OCT, who, what, where, when and how, since we never got any answers because we've never had any legitimate investigation into 9/11. You would rather ask questions about others' theories and you don't question anything significant about the OCT. You are way out of focus.

    And your blinders lead you to question everyone who doesn't buy the OCT and you make sure never to ask any significant questions about the OCT. Having said that, who in their right minds would trust a proven pathological liar? Especially about an event as significant as 9/11. Oh right, you do.

    That's correct if it was a CD. But more importantly how 3 buildings could have been totally destroyed just like a CD by fire, planes or both is a much greater question because that's what the official party line is and it has never been proven to be possible. In fact, in the case of WTC7, it has already been proven to be IMPOSSIBLE.

    I don't have a "swapped airplanes" theory so your analogy is nonsense.

    No it wasn't all on TV, where did you come up with that? Do you actually believe you saw everything about 9/11 on TV? One poster here claims he was at GZ on 9/11 but never heard any explosions, yet there are well over 100 first responder eyewitness claims of hearing, seeing, feeling and being injured by explosions. So assuming the poster is not full of it, who saw what and who witnessed what exactly?

    Well that's a bald faced lie you made up from thin air. What ALL eyewitnesses claim is relevant, whether what they saw is fact/reality or not. Having said that, when many eyewitnesses corroborate an event (such as explosions and the molten steel claims), it's much more likely true than not. When the evidence contradicts eyewitness claims, there is a problem that needs to be identified and thoroughly investigated. When the evidence supports eyewitness claims, then it's a slam dunk. When there is no evidence that supports or contradicts eyewitness claims, then the eyewitness claims are assumed to be true unless and until proven otherwise.

    Try not to invent things, you're not very good at it.
     
  3. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

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    That was a mistake by Ron Larsen, which he later corrected, but not before I posted it a few times. The high-vis vests made it obvious.

    BTW, where is you image of the steel framed core from 9/11? You need to post that.
     
  4. ChristopherABrown

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    Not using your inventions. You do not even know the proper names of the structural elements.

    [​IMG]

    The left detail in the cutout shows the elevator opening, the right, in red, shows the elevator in the bottom of the shaft.

    A description:

    The interior box columns of the inner framework providing bearing strength for the load of the floors, were against the outside of the concrete core walls. Between them was an opening to the elevator shaft immediately inside the core. Behind them, perpendicular to the core face, was maybe a 4 story wall going back 15 feet or so to the pedestal base which was heavily joined into the inside of the concrete core wall over the elevator opening supporting the core over it, between them, allowing the entry into the elevator at lobby level. The inside end of that wall was joined to the pedestal base.

    Meanwhile, mor images from 9/11 showing the concrete core.

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    That panel was a part of the 3/8 page disclosure of 2010.

    http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.disclosure.html

    http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.civreassign.html

    http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.civreasign1.html
     
  5. Gamolon

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    Posted it a few times?! Another lie! That screenshot was on your website in 2011! You just took that off of your website in May-June of 2015! That's 4 years! It was SO obvious that you left it there for 4 years...

    :roflol:
     
  6. Gamolon

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    If it was SO obvious like you claim Chris, then why did you argue with me at the US Message Boards that the picture was NOT of the Freedom Tower structure? Let's just post a few of your quotes from over at the US Message Board when I confronted you about your trying to pass off using the Freedom Tower picture as the North tower.

    Here is the link to that particular thread: http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/christopheras-amazing-invisible-concrete-core.113181/page-3. It starts with my post #22 where I called you out in June 2, 2015:
    Your reply:
    I then posted the same screenshot as above from your website AND the link to it as proof and you STILL argued I was wrong:
    Then you posted this:
    So after all that, you then took the picture down in May and never admitted until now that YOU were wrong. I wasn't debating Dr. Ron Larsen about the picture, I was debating you. How cowardly that you blame him for what YOU wrote and put on your website.
     
  7. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    So this is the plan of what you're describing?
    [​IMG]
     
  8. Gamolon

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    Another problem with your fantasy concrete core.

    You state there there are 4 hallways through the core. Two along the long axis and two along the short axis. The hallways went THROUGH your supposed concrete core walls to open up into the tenant space/floors. Those hallways HAD to cross over the express elevator shafts to be able to open up through your core walls! Yet another mistake!!

    :roflol:
     
  9. ChristopherABrown

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    :roflol: Its been over 10 years and you still haven't posted an image of the supposed steel framed core.

    I actually forgot about it on the site. The one service you've done for truth is to point it out so I could remove it.

    Dr. Larsen has found it on Tabbi'e site and mistook it for the original tower in about 2010.

    Dealing with all of you agents and your misinformation keeps us very busy and in that, mistakes are made.

    But you are not making a mistake, you actually support that the secret methods of mass murder remain secret. A vile thing you are.
     
  10. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    How does Dr. Larson mistaking it for the North tower have any effect on you writing a description of what YOU thought it was?! I thought it was really obvious! The amount of lies and misinformation you keep making up to further your fantasy is ridiculous. You can't keep up! That's why you keep screwing up.
     
  11. Gamolon

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    They've been posted all over the place. The only refutation you have is to say that it's elevator guide rails. What a joke! No other proof whatsoever. One person claiming it's elevator guide rails versus hundreds of pictures and articles saying it's core columns.

    Keep on making those mistakes Chris and I'll keep calling you out on them. Makes you look foolish.

    :wink:
     
  12. ChristopherABrown

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    So it should be easy for you to post an image of the supposed steel framed core on 9/11 right now.
     
  13. Gamolon

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    Why Chris? Any time anyone posts an image you either say it's elevator guide rails or it's not a photo before 9/11. I know your game Chris. All you have is your own claim it was elevator guide rails, nothing else.

    How about you post proof that they were elevator guide rails instead of just claiming that they were.
     
  14. ChristopherABrown

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    I was mistaken, but you still haven't posted an image of the supposed steel framed core on 9/11.

    There is no excuse for what you are doing right now. Only a conviction will do.
     
  15. ChristopherABrown

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    The butt plates on top of the vertical steel proves it is NOT core columns. Butt plates are not nearly strong enough for core columns.

    [​IMG]

    Also notice there are no diagonal braces or gusset plates. Both are absolutely required for steel framed structures.
     
  16. Gamolon

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    Prove they had butt plates. You can't. Prove butt plates make that steel elevator guide rails.
     
  17. ChristopherABrown

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    Prove there was a steel framed core by posting an image of it from 9/11.

    Butt plates.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. ChristopherABrown

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    If you would have faithfully created a sectional drawing of my oblique view, you would have drawn the elevator shaft on the inside of the wall. LOL!
     
  19. ChristopherABrown

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    I had completely forgotten that photo was there. Dr. Larsen had called me and told me not to use it, but I may have forgotten that and uploaded it.

    Meanwhile, how about posting an image of the supposed steel framed core structure from 9/11.

    Nothing you can post in text removes the obvious veracity of this image showing the concrete core without the steel exterior structure that supported the floors.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. ChristopherABrown

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    The hallways of course would go between the elevator shafts. Duh.

    You need to post an image of the supposed steel framed core on 9/11 when the interiors of the buildings are exposed.

    Here is the concrete core wall on 9/11 from the 2010 disclosure to the US district court.

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    Of course the presiding judge audrey collins and judge manual real concealed the concealment of treason.

    http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.disclosure.html

    http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.civreassign.html

    http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.civreasign1.html

    Local court rules written by them are inconsistent with US code because they require that judges only read information that is filed with the clerk.

    US code.

    TITLE 18, PART I , CHAPTER 115, ยง2382 U.S. Code as of: 01/19/04
    Section 2382. Misprision of treason

    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.​

    That says nothing about "filing" the disclosure.
     
  21. ChristopherABrown

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    Bob, we should be totally on the same page about the 1787 constitution, despite different perceptions of the WTC on 9/11. Which is a good reason to discuss restoring constitutional government twice as much as trying to show people the truth about 9/11. I have a thread about a strategy that will work. Not a quick and easy fix, but a permanent fix.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...olution-defense-enforcement-constitution.html

    With agents like gamolon and other agents or those deceived or fearful of truth, it can go on forever and really lends no credibility to the truth. The only way to deal with the controversy is using the investigational sequence. 1) What happened? including what it happened to, in this case. 2) How did it happen? 3) Who did it? Between that and hard evidence which is independently verifying, we can establish the truth.
     
  22. Bob0627

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    I'll look into it when I get a chance, I may have already quite a while back.

    I'm not sure we'll ever really get at the truth but all we can do is try and hope we get to as close to the truth as possible. You're absolutely right that posters who fanatically defend the OCT and criticize/insult those who contradict or even question it are only trying to sidetrack every discussion contrary to the OCT in their agenda to keep the OCT alive and mainstream. But their agenda is an utter failure IMO, few still believe the OCT is truth.
     
  23. Gamolon

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    You missed my other drawing Chris. Is this an accurate plan view drawing of what you describe?
    [​IMG]
     
  24. Gamolon

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    Oh really?

    And how is that possible Chris?

    Long the long axis there were eight box columns, six spaces at 20' on center, and one space at 10' on center between the middle two box columns. There were two express elevators per 20' space which means two elevator shafts. Where did those hallways go Chris? You've made another big mistake. The other problem is that you said the short axis walls were 17' thick. You just took up two elevator bays on each end!!!!! Your delusions and mistakes keep piling up Chris!

    There is NO space left for two hallways to go through the concrete wall along the long axis!!! Your 17' thick concrete walls on either end make it even worse!

    :roflol:
     
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    The diagram below is what you want everyone to believe existed.
    [​IMG]

    The right and left walls are 17' thick as you have stated before. That takes up two, 20 foot bays. That's four elevators and shafts. With your supposed core, you now have only four, 20' wide bays between the columns and one 10' wide bay.

    How in the hell do you fit 12 large express elevators and NOW two hallways into those bays?!

    Impossible!!!!

    :roll:
     

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