Hard labour camps as opposed to prisons

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  1. SvenO100

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    I believe that our current system of punishment for those that break the law is not even close to adequate. Prison sentences are often too short for the commited offense and in many cases does not stop criminals from doing what they are doing. I also believe that our justice system has become too focused on talking rather then actually taking action, atleast where I am from. An example of this is that there are radical preachers that encourage people to join ISIS and/or other extremist groups yet it is incredibly difficult for my government to arrest them and remove them from the populace. Furthermore, I believe that a lot of people need to be punished for their bad behaviour. The focus in this day and age is all about Human rights and not "lowering yourself" to the level of say a terrorist or a murderer. I believe this idea to be incorrect and lacking in justice. If someone rapes and murders someone, they are no longer Human. They are a monster and they should be treated as such, people like that need to live the rest of their life wishing that they were never born.

    I would like to see forced labour camps, varying in degree of harshness. If you commit say a murder, or if you are a terrorist, I would like to see you stuck inside a forced labour camp under miserable conditions. I do not care who you are or what you were, you should no longer be considerd Human. I want these people to be forced to do hard work for the rest of their lives. Lets use an example, say a pedophile that raped several childern over various periods of time. He should not be stuck inside a prison cell for a couple dozen years, no. He should also not be executed quickly. This is all to easy, these people need to suffer. I want a person like that to be kept alive as long as possible. Just stick them inside a camp in miserable conditions and have them work in order to pay for his own stay there and possibly even make a profit for the government. Have them build roads or whatever else the government would like to use them for, I simply do not care. While they are there they can repay their depth to society and If these people happen to die whilst there then we have one less dysfunctional person on this earth to worry about and we're all the better for it.

    Too many people have become a cancer on this earth and they need to be removed from society. If you cannot behave normally then you better damn well prepare for the (*)(*)(*)(*) that is coming your way, this is how our way of life should be. If you think it's cool to take a naked picture of a girl that she send to you and post it online, then you better enjoy the little time you have left as a free man. Whether it is domestic abuse regarding childern or a spouse, whether it is rape, murder or a hit and run. You are going to have a big (*)(*)(*)(*)ing problem, and I am not talking about a little prison sentence. These people should be send to harsh labour camps in miserable conditions. Beat them, torture them, whatever keeps them working. If one of them dies, (*)(*)(*)(*) them. They decided that they could not behave like normal Human beings and they should be punished, heavily.

    This should be extended further to wake people up and stop another form of cancer in our society. People that believe in multiple genders, people that think they need safe spaces. You can believe whatever you want, believe you're a tree for all I care, but when you try to force your delusion on me we are going to have a problem. The same applies the gays and transgenders, these people should be allowed to live a normal and happy life like anyone else, but if you start calling a person "trans-phobic" for not wanting to date a woman whom was formerly a man, we are going to have a problem. People need to keep their bull(*)(*)(*)(*) to themselves and other people need to stop encouraging nonesense like being "trans-phobic" or being another gender or wanting to be called "they" instead of he or she. These people are complete (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiots and they either need medical help or they need to be put away in a camp so we don't have to deal with them.

    I am not done here either. The ignorant and idiot black people that cry and cry and cry when a black man is killed by a white police man but don't say a *******n word about black on black violence or anything about a black police officer shooting a white man, (*)(*)(*)(*) them. Their organisation should be disbanded, it should not be allowed to exist. This also applies to political parties based on religion or political parties of immigrants, say a Turkish party in a country that they immigrated too. No, no, no. None of that bull(*)(*)(*)(*), if anything they can go back to where they came from. Last but not least, atleast for the time being. The idiots who believe in "white privilige" or that they owe black people anything, same goes for black people who believe that whites own them. So many people were enslaved all over the world regardless of skin colour. The people that are alive now have nothing to do with what happened in the past, stop blaming them or stop encouraging their bad behaviour. If not, (*)(*)(*)(*) them too.

    We have so many people that need to be taught a lesson on how to behave and how to have proper manners. I don't want to just throw everyone in a camp, warnings can be issued of course. In certain instances that might help. Get the people that believe in multiple genders to seek medical help and tell them to stop spreading their delusions. If they don't want to listen, fine. Throw them in a camp for a long time, see how that helps. There is an old Soviet saying and it goes like this. "Do you know what the first offense gets you in Russia? Ten years in Siberia. Second offense? Twenty years in Siberia. Believe you me, there is no third offense."

    I want to highlight that everything said above applies to people that can not behave and function in a normal society, they should be punished. I do not want to see innocents go into camps like this, I only want to see bad people go there obviously. No political opponents, not people with a different opinion, none of that. This may not decrease crime by that much but the people being punished will sure as hell get proper justice and they can repay their death to society through hard labour.

    This little rant of mine might make me look like a psycopath or an extremist, but I really do want the best for people everywhere. People get away with too much nowadays and it is high time we change that, I see no problem with proper manners being enforced by law. God knows how many people need to be forced to behave, too many unfortunately.

    Anyway, lets hear some thoughts and opinions on the above.
     
  2. Laurence123

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    HERE HERE! i agree that more harsh punishments should be put in place to prevent high crimes. Have you ever thought about how hate crimes are sort of like thought crimes in that the homosexual population now has slightly more protection under the law due to the fact that more prison time can be added to a persons term/punishment because a straight person called a homosexual person the "F" word during a per say violent crime. Now you have to watch your language after a gay guy touches your butt and you don't like it lol
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol isn't that Russian saying a quote from Red on That 70s Show?

    Anyway, I think the problem goes both ways: there's too little punishment in terms of sentence times and the experience inside, but there's also too little support once you're out the other end.

    Getting a job on a criminal record without a high school diploma is very difficult, so a lot just return to prison. I support very well established libraries at prison as well as training to give you a pathway to a nice lower middle class job when you get out and into the future.

    Hard Labor should be used liberally as a correction tool. Talking back to guards? 1 month hard Labor.
     
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    ugh, not a fan of forced hard labor, I think we are better than that even if the convicted felons don't show the same compassion for their fellow man.

    However, I do quite honestly take issue with our sentencing/release situation, I realize its quite complicated and my opinions are anecdotal but I find it awful when I see/hear about people walking the streets with rather lengthy rap sheets and I wonder why the hell they are walking the streets! Really seems to me that we are going out of our way to give 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th chances for a lot of people and they just repeat the same mistakes over and over and over, ticks me off.
     
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    I agree with most of the OP. I don't think we should be concerned about the punishment aspect of it and who gets the worse jobs. That's petty and hard to accurately enforce. Also, you will have a hard time getting a lifer to work because he has no incentive. There is one possibility.

    Lifers can work with the others if they want, or they can sit in their cells all week and tell everybody in the yard how easy they have it after all of the others worked to support them. Prison should be all about self sustainment as much as possible. They should be growing their own food, washing their own clothes, making their own soap, taking care of their own livestock, and making license plates and wooden furniture for government offices.

    The one thing that will make it work is that only days worked will apply to your sentence. Work is 6 days/week with 1 day/week off.

    Prisoners will learn skills and that they don't like prison. The country club prisons with TV, gyms, and 3 hot meals should be a thing of the past. During the work day, they will get a couple of sandwiches and water for lunch. The early shift can milk the cows and collect eggs for breakfast
     
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    No cruel or unusual punishments.
     
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    I agree. We should put prisoners through not much more than our military has to go through to keep those prisoners safe back home.
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    So how many years and what severity of labor should a Warden and prison guards get sentenced to when they murder an innocent person who was imrpisoned falsely and later exonerated by working them to death?
     
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    Don't punish the tool used. Punish the judge and jury who sent them to prison.
     
  10. SvenO100

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    Agreed. Innocent people will always fall through the cracks but in recent years this has become less and less, usually the cases you notice are those of the past.
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    Yet convictions still get overturned on appeal all the time.
     

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