Harder Vic restrictions 'certainly expected'

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  1. crank

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    Yes, and? On what planet is it possible to buy a palace in a posh suburb (convenient to all the best eateries and high paying jobs) for $250k or less? Because that's pure delusion on this planet. If you refuse to accommodate reality, you pay the price for it. In this case that means massive mortgages.

    That you personally can't tolerate the reality of life for the working classes and/or the frugal, has nothing to do with it. I'll say it again - we all make our CHOICES.
     
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    Choices? It looks like your reality differs from mine.
    A suburb (within a metropolitan area) which allows you to purchase a home (lucky if you still can find one on a green title) for under 250k is as likely as winning Saturday's Lotto....
    On the outskirts you can, Armadale here in Perth is one. But make sure to wear a helmet, when leaving your home. And never forget to leave anything in your driveway or backyard, because when you get back after work, it's gone....
    Reg.
     
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    What you're saying here is precisely the equivalent of: "I really need to feed my family and I only have $50 for groceries, but the food $50 buys is yucky so I won't buy any."

    It's like living in pixie-land.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Families need to consider the schools their kids go to as well as getting to and from work. The places under $250k are either disgusting hellholes in areas with a hooker/pimp and a drug dealer on every corner, OR in regional Australia & up north... how do your kids in Melbourne get to school from there? How do you get to work and back when you work interstate from this cheap home?
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Comrade red queen

     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  7. crank

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    You should probably ask the millions of Australians who live good and secure lives outside of capital cities.

    Meanwhile I'll add you to the list of fantasists who call affordable housing 'disgusting'. I say fantasist, because in this world beggars can't be choosers. Evidently on Planet Sneer, beggars can be choosers.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The only one who have been sneering here are you
     
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    Errr...... maybe lots people live in 'regional Australia and up North' . Maybe they enjoy real estate prices commensurate with their incomes which approximate what the local economy can afford to pay, maybe they have access to good/O.K. schools, community services etc, beautiful countryside and a close community 'vibe'.

    Maybe they don't live in 'disgusting hell holes' . Maybe there's a very low 'hooker/pimp' to run of the mill/average Aussie where they live. Maybe they like the fact it only tales 15 minutes or less to get to work every morning. They might even (God Forbid) want to live there. And, maybe, just maybe, if you weren't so self obsessed and paranoid you might consider the fact that most Australians, appreciate what they have, are proud of their country - current crop of useless politicians not withstanding (BTW its a universal law that every crop is pretty much useless) and are never-the-less intelligent enough to appreciate what they have.

    Your obviously are not. Now I understand you have no control over that fact, evolution is what it is etc. But please try to understand. Not everyone judges the value of their lives on how far they live from Melbourne's CBD. Likewise schooling outside of easy commute of that CBD is not Dickensian. As shocking as it maybe for to you to hear there is a life outside of your little bubble. So for the sake of the rest of us, would you please seriously consider Big Fellas suggestion and move to somewhere more in tune with wants, presumably somewhere with a good 'Stepford' vibe going on.
     
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    you're assuming I said all rural residents live in hellholes, that would be incorrect. The hellholes at low prices are in the cities, the low prices in rural areas are too far away from work.

    The discussion between me and Crank summarised as follows;

    I sympathise with many Australians who are in extreme levels of debt due to one of the biggest housing bubbles of our time. Crank says they can easily find housing under $230 000 therefore deserve their current fate.

    I'm going to ignore your Stepford vibe comments since you've made incorrect assumptions
     
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    Fair call. Thanks for the clarification. Comment retracted.
     
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    1) There are no houses at $250k or less (I never said $230k, FTR) in cities, so that's a moot point.

    2) I didn't say the big mortgage folk deserve some form of punishment, I said they CHOSE what they have. Anyone above the age of reason knows that in choosing the action, you choose the consequence - whether potential or immediate. Their 'fate' is exactly what they chose - knowing full well, as adults do, that such a precarious existence only works during the best of times. Ergo, I don't 'sympathise', I respect the freely made choice and ignore the buyer's remorse. That's very different to the malice you seem to be suggesting.
     
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    The insularity is always shocking, to me. City folk can be very unworldly and isolated.
     
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    Melbourne's second coronavirus shutdown sees businesses closing for good
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...s-shutdown-business-closing-for-good/12542424
    :(

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    Honestly, are people complaining that the economy is more important that stopping the spread of a the virus???

    People are dying from the virus and we still see people who are not only willing to spread the virus but consider it is their god given right to infect others

    I like the comment
    Basically the opening comment states,

    Has it occurred to the people that the people who are most likely to need respiratory assistance are not just the elderly??? Asthmatics, diabetics, anybody with respiratory issues, heart disease and many other infirmities.

    Anyway, before this virus hit the shores of Australia modelling showed that 500,000 people would become infected. Out of those, 10% would need care and out of those who needed care 10% would need a respirator. At that time there were only just under 2000 respirators in the entire nation. Considering that, it would be that somebody needed to decide who was worthy of intensive treatment and who was left to die. Remember, the respirator is not a cure and people will still die.



    Now this disease is not a death sentence, it is not as insidious as what people think, but ask yourself, If you contracted the virus and spread it to your family or friends and somebody died. How would you feel, simply because you would not take the simplest precaution to protect your health and that of others just so you could earn a dollar or just return to the normal life they live.


    We hear about the empathy people have for others all the time. but the classic example of lack of consideration for others is when people choose money over life, I do believe that people who lack consideration for others should not talk for anybody…
     
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    ~ Of course the politicians don't know what to do. Neither does CDC , Dr. Fauci and all the other politicised hacks we have to put up with. The sad thing is that they don't care.
    Many of us are disgusted. The only thing that can redeem this fiasco is forcing the government of China to reimburse every American who lost wages , business , property and loved ones. It can be done if the U.S. government honchos do their job.
    Don't blame you for being angry SW . Many of us are as well.
    ~ Then you should stop talking.
     
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    No more so than country folk. I grew up in the country and the insularity there was as high as city dwellers I have encountered, but much more widespread.
    You seem to have mistaken this for a board on US politics. There are literally thousands of US politics threads, so how about you run along to those if you don't have any relevant comments to Australia (That is the big country in the Southern hempishpere with kangaroos in case you were wondering).
     
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    Some people are so self centred that they really don't care how many people die for their personal convenience. I lost patience with them months ago. A handful of them are well intentioned, but I suspect most are either poorly brought up or have been indoctrinated with the idea that whole classes of people simply don't matter.

    What these people forget (or more likely don't care about) is that the virus doesn't just kill people. A much, much higher percentage of those infected are very, very ill for months or possibly longer. There may also be longer term inpacts on cardiovascular health that could shorten lives of people who are much younger than the apparently disposable older people who are mostly dying. Personally I don't consider my older relatives disposable and I'm not interested in seeing family in my age group sick for months or have years shaved of their life expectancy for the convenience of others.

    I am fortunate not to have lost anyone, but I have numerous friends who have lost family members or friends. They are pretty upset about this. Perhaps those who put convenience over human life should explain to these families in person that their loved ones are less important than money or personal convenience. Of course, that requires more than just 'internet courage', so not going to happen.
     
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    There's going to be more suicides from financial collapse than Coronavirus deaths. The fallout of this lockdown is still to come. People who don't have much to lose are the biggest proponents for lock down. Ironically they are government employees who are all still, not only overpaid but receiving full wages.

    If we didn't have free money for all (in other words if central banks didn't print vast amounts of fiat currency) they wouldn't be able to lock us down because people would HAVE to work to pay for food. The central banks have enabled politicians to destroy the economy, with many still clueless of what effect this will have.... both on business and the financial system (due to devaluation of the currency). It's a double whammy, add to that the high levels of debt, loss of jobs that will not be coming back...

    You can't lock down an economy twice and think we're just all going to go back to work. We basically had one chance at this, the second lockdown have destroyed Victoria, politicians stand there and mouth off their statistics...may God help us all.

     
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    The silent death toll of COVID-19 revealed: Huge 25 per cent jump in suicides each year
    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/h...r/news-story/b4154626a16c9cc25c3b79b7880041ef

    this is while people are still getting government handouts... what will happen when we finally start seeing the fallout of this lockdown and handouts end.

    Breadwinners under financial stress

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...-concerned-about-rising-suicide-rate/12324404
     
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    Melbourne University head says restrictions could do more harm than virus
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...-do-more-harm-than-virus-20200820-p55nl3.html


    COVID-19 lockdown fuels mental health crisis

    https://www.afr.com/policy/health-a...wn-fuels-mental-health-crisis-20200805-p55irg

    WHAT’S KILLING MORE AUSSIES THAN COVID-19 RIGHT NOW

     
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    ~ Big mistake during this lockdown - politicians are still being paid.
     
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    That's not been my experience. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    Of course, I'm not talking about all city people .. there are worldly people living in cities. Migrants and working classes in areas where variety exists, for example. Much more likely to be at ease with things like religion, different political views, conservatism, and other variants. Worldly enough to understand that First World Western Urban Life is not a benchmark.
     
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    Given we've had since March to plan for the very likely economic disaster we all knew would eventuate, anyone at risk of loss of income should by now have their ducks in a row. They should already have a clear path to solvency and survival. Waiting for a miracle is virtually a deliberate failure, if you know you're not secure enough to ride out a year or two of no income.

    Some of the things people are doing to save themselves and their families are inspiring: Buying large old caravans (giving them a quick inexpensive renovation) and parking them in friends/family back yards. Moving the family back home to parents or in-laws. Co-renting with another family. Moving somewhere houses can be bought or rented for peanuts, etc etc.

    The problems only arise if you keep trying to live the same lifestyle, when you clearly can no longer afford to.
     
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    That's ridiculous. The poorest Bangladeshi families - living in shanties - aren't killing themselves.

    Even the poorest Australian can easily rent a house and feed their family enough food for 10 Bangladeshi families.
     

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