Has god changed?

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  1. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There were times in the last where god did stuff. He gave Israel a homeland, he gave us the commandments, he split the Red Sea, gave us a burning bush, sent plagues, had people walking on water, raised people from the dead, cured leprosey, healed the blind,.... etc

    God used to do lots of really impressive stuff. God did stuff that was pretty convincing that he exists, that he is involved in our lives, that he cares about us and what happens to us here on earth.

    but, at least as far as I can see, god seems to have changed. He no longer seems to play an active role in events here on earth. No more miracles; no prophets; no more scriptures; no revelations. It seemed like god has a more hands off approach these days. It seems like he has given us all the information that he will give us, From here on out, it is up to us to work things out with god pretty much sitting back watching.

    Has god change his approach to his creation? And if so, why?
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    God does not change, humans do.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps there is no "God"...or perhaps the people who suggested he "did stuff" were mistaken about any "God" doing stuff.
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    How did you come to the conclusion that god gave Israel a homeland ?
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    No they don't. They're still motivated by the same wants and desires they were thousands of years ago. Food. Shelter. Sex. Power. Only the packaging has changed.
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i did not come to that conclusion, but cited it as part of the accepted narrative of what god has been up to
     
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    ARDY:

    You hit the nail on the head. Jehovah has provided us with his inspired Word, the Judeo-Christian Bible, in which he has laid out all we need to know at this time. However, you are in error when you state: "From here on out, it is up to us to work things out." The reality is that God does not expect humans to "work things out, because rebellious mankind is incapable of fixing the problems that humans have created. God inspired the Prophet Jeremiah to write those very sentiments:

    "I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." (Jeremiah 10:23)

    Jesus Christ was sent to the Earth by Almighty God to not only redeem mankind from Adamic sin but to direct repentant mankind to get to know the True God, Jehovah, while they patiently await God's intervention by means of his heavenly kingdom.

    Let me know when you are ready, and I will direct you to scripture in support of what I stated in the last paragraph above.

    Alter2Ego
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A necessary being has no potential to change. A necessary being is necessarily what it is. I am left to believe that necessary being exists because I cannot logically and honestly deny that contingent being exists. My search for "God" is a search for necessary being.

    Other words for necessary are sovereign, holy and inviolate.
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not believe in sin
    I do not believe in Adam, nor adamic sin
    I do not believe that a being such as god would need our repentance
    I do not believe that a being such as god would care for us to get to know him
    In any case, I do not believe that we could com close to understanding a being such as god
    And for these reasons what you have written makes no sense to me

    Over all, imo you are selecting small portions of the Bible it validate an idiosyncratic personal world view

    If what you believe is correct... god has basically ignored the people who
    Who lived before he sent the Bible and Jesus.
    Also, imo if god previously validated his existence and intentions by revealing himself to ancient people’s through miracles... I see no reason that he should not continue doing so for our benifit

    Alter
    Thx for
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't believe that God has needs either.
    Good is what God is; evil is what God is not. Anything, even God, is revealed just as much by what it is not as it is by what it is. That is why God reveals both good and evil. It's only confusing if we think that it's about us. You're right; it doesn't make any sense that way. Fortunately, that's not he way it is, not in my opinion anyway.
     
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    God made a lot of contribution towards humanity, God even prevent us from harming each other if you would really believe God, just one of the many examples.
     
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    No!

    God has changed from the petulant, wrathful God of a few
    thousand years age. No more flooding the Earth. Sodom & Gomorrah, etc.


    ref.: Carl Jung "Answer To Job"
    Not just the wiki provided here
    :lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Job
     
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    if God and Jesus are one and the same, then he must change with time

    wasn't the rainbow supposed to be god realizing what he did was wrong and promising never to do it again

    forgive God for his sins, for he knoweth not what he does
     
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    1. God gave the commandments to the Israelites not to everyone.

    2. God did all those things and still the people did not believe..

    The idea that you witness a miracle and that makes you a believer is totally bogus.
    You believe, then you see the miracle.

    No God doesn't change.
    Remember God's covenant with Abraham predates God's covenant with the Israelites.

    Now we are under a new covenant sealed with the Blood of Jesus.
     
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    For me, god has not changed, I have.
    When I was young and my parents took me to church I believed in god.
    When I got old enough to think for myself I realized there is no god.
     
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