Has gun control ever been given a fair chance in the US?

I don't think so. Gun control laws have been passed, but due to gun lobby opposition there are loopholes that make it easy for criminals to still obtain guns. What about the private sale loophole? What about interstate gun trafficking which results in illegal guns flowing from states with lax guns laws to states with strict guns? So I'm tired of hearing the argument that gun control doesn't work. People who make that argument are the reason why it's not working. In other countries without fanatical opposition against gun control there are far fewer gun deaths and much less gun crime. So we can see what happens when gun control is given a fair chance to succeed. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that will ever happen in the US.

 

works great in NYC

from 2,000+ murders to almost less than 300 today.

 

Sure if people caved to tyranny, all would be well... I prefer the risk that comes with liberty than the safety of the knee. I am far from being alone.

 

IF those figures are accurate, it doesn't take into account the dramatic change in NYC (i.e. Manhattan's) demographic make up.
I remember hanging out in the E. & W. Village in the 1960s & now its a different city.

 

Can you still get salt at a restruant and large soda drinks?

 

And yet every Criminal in New York City is armed to the teeth, any reduction in crimes has nothing to do with gun control any more than laws against illegal drugs in any way reduces the use thereof.

Ron uses political sound bites rather than admit the truth, gun control does not equate crime prevention or in any way reduce crime or criminal and drug and gang related activities.

 

Good question.

 

Salt, yes. However I like to start my Manhattan mornings with "Bloody Marys" to limber up the brain for the rest of the day. I never tried to get a big soda, sorry.

 

So order lots of little sodas, or buy a 2 liter etc....
Bloomberg is a paltry lil swat.

 

Interstate gun trafficking is already illegal. And it is illegal to privately sell a firearm to a person who you know is not allowed to buy one.

 

Utter Nonsense. NYC's gun laws were in place when it was at the top of the homicide charts, and went down for reasons other than gun control; even in spite of it.

 

Gun control has been "given a fair chance to succeed" and has failed miserably . I am so sick and tired of the gun controllers claiming the only reason their totalitarian agenda failed was because it wasn't enacted everywhere. Well, for that argument to work the violence and homicide rates would have to be the same regardless of the gun laws; but instead the homicide rates tend to CLIMB in places where gun laws get enacted and DROP in places where gun rights are enhanced. Some of the safest places in the U.S. also have the most lax gun control. But God forbid the gun banners should ever acknowledge fact.

In the end, we shouldn't even be talking about gun control until we talk about amending the Constitution to allow it. But, no, the gun banners' response is: "We already piss on the Constitution, we don't care about the Constitution, so who cares if we piss on it some more???"

 

Given the US has always had gun control, your question should perhaps be 'has gun control ever been optimal?'. Obviously not. Traditionally gun control included stopping those deemed to be undesirable from owning guns. Now its about how right wingers can whine at liberalism whilst ignoring spree killing event. It has gone from evil to simple cognitive dissonance. That's an improvement I suppose!

 

Give it a fair chance...? While were at it, might as well give Communism a fair chance too. Or how bout Theocracy? Human Sacrifice might actually work too. How will we know if we dont try it?

Sheesh. Worst gun control argument ever.

 

Why didn't you refer to how the early gun control was often racist? That could be positive!

 

That is indeed true, the first gun control laws targeted minorities in various communities, Irish in N.Y.C. via the infamous Sullivan law, and down South laws designed to limit freed slaves from firearms ownership and carry.

 

I was simply projecting the logic of the OP to its innevitable conclusion. But yes, gun control in the US was a racist invention designed to oppress minorities and prevent them from defending themselves from the angry masses that were losing their power monopoly. Thx.

 

What's the point of something being illegal if loopholes make it easy to circumvent the law? Those loopholes need to be closed.

 

The Second Amendment was originally racist since "the people" did not include non-white people. Additionally, keeping the slave population under control was partially what was meant by "the security of a free state". It was probably the most racist amendment in the whole Bill of Rights.

 

Yes, its unfortunate that southern democrat slave owners would only sign and join the rebellion if they got to keep their slaves, and its unfortunate that their support was necessary for the rebellion to be successful, and so the constitution was written to cater to their barbarism. It was that or continue to live under brittish rule.

What were the extrenuating circumstances surrounding the institution of gun control targetting newly freed blacks in the south? Aside from KKK democrats getting their tighty whities in a bunch about not being able to lord power of their fellow man, of course.

How you get 'control slave population' from 'security of a free state' i dont get... You come up with that yourself, or you read it in 'Progressive Propaganda Weekly'?

 

What loopholes?

 

It depends what you mean by gun control. Do you mean the complete banning of all guns other than those issued to the military and police?

What level of gun control, in your opinion, would constitute giving gun control a "fair chance"?

I hope this isn't going to be a move the goal post argument.

 

Moar Anti Gun Clack noise.
Cry loophole, when none exist.

 

See my .sig. If private sales were illegal, it would just be one more law that criminals break.

Every state is it's own largest source of guns. 2/3 of the guns in California come form there.
https://www.atf.gov/about/firearms-trace-data-2015

We're tired of people like you posting the same old drivel that's been disproved multiple times. "Gun control" as a term means nothing without details.

Like Mexico, Russia and Honduras?

Well, when the proposed "gun control" is Constitutional, effective, enforceable, would be enforced and necessary, we'll give it a try. Until then, let's work on "criminal control".

 

Does Chicago, Baltimore or Newark ring a bell?