Has the USA changed its original priorities?

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  1. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your running all around the back 40 acres is making me dizzy. I have never said that "group" equates to Marxism. I said that government bestowing rights based on group or class is Marxist (or Marxist-like if you will).

    I don't see the connection with your UK example. All governments tend to put themselves above the people and make laws that apply to to the people but not always to themselves. How does this fit in with defining individual rights versus group rights??

    What is fascist about a government honoring inalienable individual rights?
     
  2. Pixie

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    I know what you said. I told you why your educational propaganda that tells you group effect equals Marxism is incorrect.
    Are you now telling me all govts are Marxist because they put the group called themselves first and under different rules?
     
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    Maybe not, but it usually opens your mind, if only a little bit. Won't you try some day?
     
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    What about protecting people's health?! Or is it only bearable under Trump?
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    You ignored the point. You pay either way. Under Obamacare, people were driven to pay their own way rather than becoming a tax burden that you have to pay.
     
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    'Life and liberty' etc do indeed lead to happiness. They provide the security to pursue your own individual iteration of happiness - whether that's empire building, or taking yoga classes. You can't do either if your your freedom to pursue the necessary security, is curtailed.
     
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    It's not him with the misunderstanding, it's the OP!
     
  8. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    I think my intentional travel days -- let alone living days -- are over.
     
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    As Franklin et al quipped you can either have liberty or security but not both. The federal government (at a minimum) has no constitutional authority to force vaccinations, wearing masks, or anything else.

    I don't follow the Trump comment. Trump never took any citizen's liberty away for anything during the pandemic, and did not force vaccinations or masks on anyone. In fact both Biden and Harris vowed to never get any of Trump's vaccines. He did restrict foreigners from traveling to the U.S. but that was for non-citizens..... and for which Biden and Pelosi et al called him a xenophobic.
     
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    Who do you think paid for the subsidies at the Obamacare Exchanges???
     
  11. Pixie

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    Authority or not, priorities change in times of extreme danger. Normal rules and expectations do not apply.
    Instead what is vital is leadership through understanding what is necessary to protect the population and doing it.
     
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    Well, yes, there is that. It's all a matter of degree, and a constitutional republic always has to err on the side of liberty. I can see where liberty can be temporarily constrained for an egregious clear and present danger since protecting the citizenry is ultimately a top priority. However, the COVID pandemic did not meet that criteria, IMO. There is every reason to believe that Biden's talk of forcing vaccinations and mask wearing, and governors closing down churches and places of business and entertainment was/is much more about exercising power than protecting people.
     
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    You got off lightly.
    The issue is about proximity of people, not politics.
     

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