Have Democrats abandoned the 'my body, my choice' argument?

Have Democrats abandoned the 'my body, my choice' argument?

Or are they just acting completely inconsistently and only willing to use the rhetoric when it comes to the issues of sexual recreation and abortion?

Tucker made the point that, when it comes to vaccines, they seem to have abandoned the 'my body, my choice' argument.

Tucker: Democrats have abandoned their 'my body, my choice' argument - YouTube

 

My slow thinking Democrats are still trying to play the game by Queensbury Rules. If they never take the gloves off and get in the trenches the Rebpubs are going to keep sh***** on them.

 

The most important question here is why we are we talking about vaccines in the abortion sub?

Now, if there is anything at all to comment on regarding what you have posted it would be tgat it makes very clear what I always point out; Conservatives are anti-science and anti-capitalism. They mistrust big business just as much as any Bernie Bro and swallow every single comspiracy theory that favours their party be it rigged elections or evil microship vaccines.

This is, furthermore, not very original at all; previously anti-abortionists used to say; "so, if you are pro-choice, how come you are not for a woman's right to choose an AR-15? Ha-ha, boo-yaa, you just got owned wItH lOgIc aNd FaCtS!" This is a very weak strawman.

PS. Tucker sucks.

 

Because it illustrates logical inconsistency, double standards, and hypocrisy.
Sometimes it can be very useful to compare two different issues.

 

Right, just like Conservatives present themselves as champions of capitalism, but in the next breath demand the government to step in and regulate "Big Tech" or applaude Trump when he presents tariffs and declare trade wars?

Just like when Conservatives claim to be defenders of freedom of association, property rights and liberty, but in their next breath introduce draconian policies that makes it illegal to give a woman a ride to the abortion clinic, to be a doctor performong abortions or a woman seeking to have an abortion?

Or how Conservatives say they are for "logic and facts", but present unproven bs about rigged elections and COVID being a hoax as fact? Or how they use God and not observable facts as basis to ban abortion?

I mean, Conservatives are not really much better in this regard. In many ways, they are much worse.

 

That post doesn't put you in a position to call another argument "Weak" A right is only as good as ones ability to defend it. On the issue of ones right to bodily autonomy, vaccines and guns are relevant. If you would use government force to deny a woman the right to protect her right to bodily autonomy from a rapist/killer with a gun, you are no better than those that would use government force to deny her an abortion.

There is no excuse for government interference in a womans decision to have an abortion, refuse to consume a pharm product, or exercise her second amendment rights.

 

I am not against the right to bear arms.

 

What about the right not to consume the Covid vaccine?

 

All for it too. However, any business does have the right to choose not to serve the unvaccinated and/or unmasked too.

I personally am vaccinated and think the anti-vaxx movement are too focused on conspiracy theories and contempt for business to be taken seriously.

 

Fair enough. Odd to see that you would support discrimination after this much data showing the extremely low risk from Covid is available.

I see you are using the sweeping generalization fallacy when describing those hesitant to consume this pharm product. Thats exactly what racists do. They assign a title and paint the entire group with a broad stroke in an attempt to rob them of their individuality.

The truth is that the vast majority of those refusing to consume this pharm product are current in all of their necessary vaccines. I am not a Republican and I voted against our previous pres twice. I will not be consuming this pharm product because:

1. I am healthy and know how to maintain a strong immune system without pharm products.
2. The risk for people like me is extremely low.
3. There are no known long term affects from this vaccine.
4. It comes with a "use at your own risk" disclaimer.
5. Vaccinated people still have to wear a mask since they are catching and spreading it.
6. Vaccinated people experience reduced symptoms, increasing the likelihood they will go to work and become the Covid version of Typhoid Mary.

I am not arguing that you shouldn't take it, or that you should not be allowed to wear a mask, stay away from people, or stay at home. My position is that we should respect individual rights when it comes to their own body.

 

Well, it depends on your general health and age. I am kind of in a risk group and also thought that those of us who are vaccinated would be allowed to go back to normal, but no. In today's altruistic culture we are expected to sacrifice our pursuits for those of you who are not. Even at this point where those who are not vaccinated have chosen it themselves.

It is not a sweeping generalisation at all. Most of those who oppose the vaccination are not prople who have read 100's and 100's pages of research. They are people who draw their conclusions from watching YouTube videos saying that the shot contains a chip, that COVID is not real and that "Big Pharma" who work their butts off to improve our lives are just evil people out to take our money while killibg us (i.e anti-capitalist nonsense ). These people are not rational people driven by reason, they.are skeptics swallowing flatout conspiracy theories.

Good for you. Then you are in the minority. I have people in my family who have chosen not to take take it "because micro-cips" and I am glad to see your choice is at least based on thinking.

Finally, I am not for mandatory shots and have been a vocal opponent of lockdowns from day 1.

Anyways, this is very off topic.

 

"Have Democrats abandoned the 'my body, my choice' argument?"

you're free to not wear a mask, but it may have consequences, like not being able to enter some establishments during a declared national emergency due to a pandemic, same with vaccines

 

Still 100% on topic as it relates to ones right to bodily autonomy and exposes hypocrisy on both sides. Those that pick a side are forced to admit that their position is not one of concern for individual rights.

In the end, it appears you and I agree.

If you are against abortion, don't get one.
If you are against rushed pharm products, don't take them.
If you are against guns, don't buy one.

No government interference necessary!

 

Because it's about choice and Democrats are for abortion and vaccines without questioning the use of either. It's a fair point. Conservatives are anti-capitalism? Where in the world do you get that nonsense? Let me ask you this, abortionists say it's a right for the homeowner for the child to kill the child. But, if a landlord who rents a room to someone kills their tenant, then he's committed murder. The woman who is the room for the baby is praised when she kills her own tenant baby. Why is it then illegal for the homeowner to kill his tenant if he so chooses? Sounds more like Democrat abortionists are very similar to the Taliban. Go Talibiden Joe.

 

No, it doesn't...."my body, my choice" refers to abortion not every issue under the sun.

 

Looks more like conservatives are hypocritical...when it comes to vaccines it's "my body , my choice"....when it comes to abortion it's "her body, OUR CHOICE".

 

Maybe. But the choice over vaccine doesn't directly directly involve the necessity of killing someone.

If we knew for certain that, according to the statistics, for every person who did not get the vaccine someone else was going to die, you might be right and there might be a direct comparison.

Now when you say if we compel a certain number of people to be vaccinated, maybe hundreds, it might save one person's life, but we're not that sure what those numbers really are, that's a different story.

And this is just from a purely utilitarian argument. On the other hand, from a moral perspective we could argue that other people don't have the right to be protected from the vaccine in the same way that a preborn baby has the right to use her mother's body. (Although I see more of a similarity if the woman was raped and did not have any input at all into the decision)

 

By the way, this topic was already brought up in this forum even before the coronavirus pandemic began.

Abortions and vaccinations (from March 2019 )

Forced vaccination vs Forced Abortion (from October 2018 )


March 13, 2019:

 

Your post proves nothing but the fact you feel you know what is best for everyone. You'd be a great government bureaucrat!

 

"'my body, my choice' argument?"

Republicans abandoned it.... so do republicans want to support it again....

republicans want government to decide for others, now they are not happy that government is deciding for them

 

Your post proves nothing but the fact you feel you know what is best for everyone. You'd be a great government bureaucrat!

LOL, this is the most miserably weak argument yet for taking away women's right to their own bodies...


No maybe about it :""

Looks more like conservatives are hypocritical...when it comes to vaccines it's "my body , my choice"....when it comes to abortion it's "her body, OUR CHOICE".

 

Your implication is understood.....but what about the unborn with a beating heart, fingers and toes? Mama gets to decide to end that life? We should use the "my body, my choice" argument there! Choice should have been excersized prior to conception. It most definitely applies to vaccination where one person allows a foreign substance to be put into their veins. I am vaccinated. Just lost a friend to COVID who wasn't. It was partly COVID and partly a heart condition. He had friends that disparage his choice but I will honor it. Don't know why I wouldn't, it was between him, his doctor and God. Many just want to "virtue signal" that they know what is right for everyone. It makes them feel powerful on the side of government. Those that serve in government sometimes get a lift having any sort of power over others.

 

same rights as an adult? can I force you to let me use your body to keep me alive

if the argument was all fetuses should be removed and if they can survive on their own, they should be allowed to, I could support that

if pro-lifers invested in more research to help those born prematurely, this would hardly be an issue, say with an artificial womb

 

Why don't you come down to earth? How would that work? In His wisdom, God imparted a trust to women. Once they consent and conceive the spark of life, within their spirit, they become nurtures of that life. Not butchers. This is seem by most as a "blessing" but it is indeed a responsibility. I would venture to say that most who invest in neo-natal activities are pro life. I know I do. Are you implying you invest in anyway in early life? If so, let's hear it. Sure, it is human pride that seeks to give life aside from God's plan. Perhaps you are one of those that want to twist it all around so that men can conceive and have babies?