He was just playing with a gun and the gun went off

Well, the family didn't supply the gun. The kid bought it illegally off the streets. Yes, the person who sold him the gun was responsible. That person was breaking federal and state laws to do it. It just shows that gun control is useless.

 

The person who gave him the gun would be in a lot of trouble if found. It's against Federal and Georgia state law to sell/give a handgun to someone under 18.

 

What? He got the gun illegally?!?!
Clearly, another law would have stopped this!!

 

Why are you using a bunch of criminals as examples for honest behavior?

 

The point is that those laws can be easily circumvented because of the existence of the private sale loophole in other states.

 

They can be easily circumvented in any case, in states where the strictest laws exist acquiring guns that originate in that state. The biggest source state for Maryland is Maryland. New York is number three for them.

Oh, yeah, I updated my .sig for you.

 

Apples and oranges. It's much more realistic to prevent teens from experimenting with guns than to prevent them from experimenting with sex. Sex is biological. It won't simply disappear. Guns, on the other hand, are inanimate objects. Many countries have been been successful in limiting minors' access to firearms. So it can be done. The "underlying issues" in the US are caused by lax gun laws.

 

I was referring to the pain of a family losing a child.
Gun control is useless, with more guns than people in the place. If it was going to happen it would have happened by now, so what you have is what you have. Enjoy.

 

and those private sales which you dishonestly call loophole if subjected to a background check -are easily circumvented as well. The underlying issues in this country are mainly caused by the war on drugs. Many other countries don't have constitutional freedoms. You keep pretending that you want to stop crime when that is clearly not your real motivation

 

Not without committing a federal felony.

 

Lesson plans being required was not addressed. Merely it is being questioned if a firearms safety program being part of a school curriculum should be provided to students who have at least one parent who is a convicted felon, and thus cannot legally possess a firearm. Should there be exceptions based on such possibilities?

 

Explain what type of law cannot be easily circumvented. Until such time that someone is apprehended, and it can be conclusively proven that an offense was committed, laws for all intents and purposes simply do not exist. They serve to punish an action after the fact, they do not have a mechanism that physically prevents an action from being carried out. If someone chose to assault yourself with a common hammer from the local hardware store, laws against assault would not prevent your bones from being broken. They would only enter into the equation long after the offense had been committed, by someone who had no care for what the law may say.

Certain physical injuries will most certainly render such to be an impossibility.

No other country has more firearms than people.

Demonstrate the laxness that allowed this incident to occur. Demonstrate how presently existing restrictions will not allow for the individual who supplied the firearm to the minor, to be punished for their actions.

 

So it's not a loophole because of the original intent of those who created the law? Whatever you want to call it, it is clear that the law is inadequate to prevent illegal gun sales. I don't want to get into a debate about semantics.

What if there were a law that allowed people to buy prescription drugs from private sellers without showing a prescription? Would that make a lot of sense?

 

No law can or will prevent illegal gun sales.

 

Would training really help?

"The primary goal of the National Rifle Association's Eddie Eagle program is not to safeguard children, but to protect the interests of the NRA and the firearms industry by making guns more acceptable to children and youth.....

Public health researchers have found that 'gun safety' programs like Eddie Eagle are ineffective in preventing unintentional death and injury from firearms."
http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/eddiekey.htm

Maybe you can't fix stupid but at least you can prevent stupid from accessing guns.

 

Precisely.

True. 2/3 of the guns traced by the ATF for crimes in California originate in California. That should tell you that no matter what laws are put in place criminals will ignore them and acquire guns. There's no reason to think that if California prevented the illegal import of all guns by Californian criminals from other states that any criminal would be unable to get a gun illegally in California.

If we're talking about law, semantics are of the utmost importance, if you actually want to enforce a law.

Does the current absence of such a law prevent private sellers selling Oxycontin and other opioids to private buyers sans prescriptions?

 

That's what baffles me. If you're going to play around with a loaded firearm then at least make sure it isn't pointed at your own head.

 

You quoting VPC has as much validity as me quoting Brietbart.

Since 1981, the rate of unintentional firearm deaths has decline 80%, according to CDC WISQARS data. Something is effective.

 

I bet the "friend" who told him to put a magazine in the otherwise empty gun has to be feeling pretty panicked right now.

 

Unsupportable nonsense.

 

Training does not stop a stupid individual from engaging in stupid behavior. It does nothing but provide a false sense of security to the public.

And pray tell what program has the violence policy center put forth that has a higher percentage of success than the Eddie Eagle program?

If they have nothing to offer, then they should refrain from complaining. The phrase "put up or shut up" applies in this situation with regard to the above.

Considering the conduct of a significant number of police officers, that is not the case.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

Yeah it's a good thing we have laws against drugs, otherwise we could have a vast drug problem in the US.

Oh wait....

 

13-year-old accidentally shoots and kills himself on Instagram Live, family says

• CBS NEWS

Apr 13, 2017 6:15 PM EDT

Malachi Stephens, 13, appears in a photo provided by his family.

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FOREST PARK, Ga. -- A middle school student in Georgia was showing off a gun on social media when he accidentally shot himself in the head and died on Monday, his family said.

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How do you "accidentally" shoot yourself in the head ?
It was no accident, it was a confused male playing with an illegally acquired firearm, proper orientation to firearms would have prevented this incident.

 

When I was 13 I was trusted with keys to the gun cabinet. Granted it was 1983 but there wasn't anything odd about grabbing a 20 ga and a box of shells to go rabbit hunting or skeet shooting. I bought a 10-22 when I was 14. Well dad bought it with my lawn mowing wages, I still own it.

 

Darwin in action.
He likely would have killed or injured others eventually.
Some sort of mental defect.
Learning disability.