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Health Insurance Deductibles Up 212 Percent Since 2008

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  1. camp_steveo

    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    https://reason.com/blog/2018/10/08/insurance-deductibles-up-212-percent

    Before I resigned from AT&T last year and went back to college, my deductible was $1200. Before Obamacare was enacted I had a zero deductible and zero copay policy. It was expensive, but with a big family it was worth it.

    Obamacare is, in my opinion, no good.
     
    camp_steveo, Oct 9, 2018
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    Where are the unions on this issue?
     
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    What the hell happened in 2009?
     
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    webrockk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The scumbag's legacy legislation effectively represented the largest tax increase on the middle class in history.

    this, despite the lying scumbag repeatedly vowing not to raise taxes on the middle class.
     
    webrockk, Oct 9, 2018
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    "If you like you Dr, you can keep your Dr." is Obama's quote. What he left out was how much it would cost ya.
     
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    Single payer Medicare for all!!
     
    61falcon, Oct 9, 2018
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    Mission creep, brought to you by Obamacare.
     
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    yeah, keeping Insurance companies as part of Health Care meant this would happen. Either go full-bore Govt Run HC/Govt Run using Private Partnerships, or just leave everything as is.

    Forcing Insurance companies to take on more people (especially with how unregulated the Insurance Industry is in the US) meant that those costs would be born out somewhere. Deductibles was the next logical conclusion.
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    Intentional or no? I think there is some merit to the belief that this law was just a step towards single payer.
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well they wanted single-payer from the onset, but Obama figured that if he went with the Heritage Foundation/Romney delivered style of care, he could get the Republicans on board. He didn't realize the animosity that would be directed at him and literally Any of his initiatives right from the get-go. If I remember, the Dems were pretty angry that he didn't use his super majority (even if it was only for a 3-4 month span) to ram it through.

    Probably should have in retrospect. Might as well have earned the ire that was sent his way for almost his entire Presidency.
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    And you never know. Maybe it would be better, but I doubt it. There are just too many examples of failures with single payer.
     
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    That was the point of Obamacare: force existing system to fail in order to implement socialist medicine.
     
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    I think that was what Reason was getting at. Where are the Obamanites on the PF? I would like an explanation for the extremely high increases in insurance rates and deductibles.
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Uh...what?
    in your country, Medicare is a single payer system, and is considered to be successful.

    Most single-payer countries provide quality HC to it's citizens for a lower cost per-capita then the US with as good, if not better results to the overall population. Yes, the best Medical Care in the world is in the US if you can pay for it. Most can't.

    One of the only real arguments against Single Payer is wait times.
     
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    E.g.?

    We have single payer

    Not perfect but a bloody sight better than your system
     
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    Healthcare has been increasing for decades - We need a public option. Obama should have said f the cons like they have always done and pushed his system through but instead thought compromise would work better. It didn’t

    I like Israel’s system personally.
     
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    Yeah but......

    Those wait times are for non urgent surgery and it is almost a built in safety. Because we take every urgent case there are times such as last year when we had a flu season from hell, that wait times blew out because of high demand for urgent medical care for the flu. Flu season over things went back to normal and wait times reduced
     
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    Don't knock it till you try it
     
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    I agree, but it's still a bit of an issue that opponents jump all over, so it must be acknowledged.
     
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    We do not have an issue with access to "health care" We spend more per person than the total average family income worldwide. Our issue is that we are fatter and sicker than ever, and most of what is making and keeping people sick is subsidized.
     
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    Unfairly really because the USA does not have reliable statistics on wait times
     
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    No your issue is a crappy system that delivers the most expensive care in the world for the worst outcome
     
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    'Most' can't pay for health insurance in the US? Are you sure?
     
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    ^opinion.

    That said, the US system would be much improved with less govt intervention, such as price fixing.
     
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    Mate don't knock it till you try it
     
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