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  1. Max Overlord

    Max Overlord Member

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    Hoping to find stimulating and adult debate here at politicalforum.com
    I am a traditionalist/nationalist/conservative/libertarian....IOW, I am a splash of many ideological brands. Above all else, I love the United States and believe it to be the greatest country man has yet devised. The Constitution is not a "living document" and Cultural Marxism is the great rot of our society. Multiculturalism has failed and Globalism has failed. Other than that, I love the Chicago Cubs more than anyone you're likely to meet. I play an AS Fender Strat and a Martin D15. I eat way too much ice cream on a daily basis. I work a full-time job to support my loved ones and I am proud of it. Liberals disgust me and Establishment Republicans do as well.
     
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    Publius_Bob Active Member

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    Welcome Max to the forum. I favor the rule of law found in the U.S. Constitution--that is our nation. Too many politicians today are in a race to see who can create the most distance between themselves and the constitution--all of them running in the direction of left.
     
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    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    Shalom and welcome to the forum. :)
     
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    Hello.
    I think the Constitution is a living document. It was written in such a way as allow various interpretations in several places. And it was created that way on purpose. Also it is possible to amend the Constitution, for a reason. All that is to say, the Constitution is not fossilized, but can be adapted to fit future needs the Founders could not foresee at the time of its creation. The Founders were smart enough to realize they did not, and could not, know everything — so they allowed for future needs and change, if needed. In that senses, our Constitution is a living document, imo.

    But you are right about a couple of things: playing guitar is one of the great joys in life. And I eat lots of ice cream, too. My favorite, at the moment is called: Death By Chocolate. Love it.

    Enjoy the forum.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Welcome. What is cultural Marxism please? (Not familiar with this term)
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It used to be - not any more!

    Oh, and welcome, by the way!! :mrgreen:
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure, sure. Read #1 uploads this forum. Same, same. Got originality?

    Do you have any opinions about :flagcanada:, the remora parasitizing America.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remora
    Consider how many Presidents ignored the abuses that led to President Trump's Trade War with :flagcanada: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/is-it-true-part-deux.495478/page-5#post-1067494685
    Any opinions or same ole, laissez faire while :flagus: eats :flagcanada: costs. Do tell.

    Welcome withheld pending expression of an original thought. ​

    Moi :oldman:
    BTW my favorite Amendment is the 10th.
    What's yours?

    r > g


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    Make Them Pay Their Fair Share!​
     
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    Thomas Jefferson would disagree.
     
  9. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to the forum!

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    How would you know that? Have you talked to Thomas lately?
     
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    Have you never read the federalist papers?
     
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    I apologize for my snarky remark. I'm just tired. I was up half the night, then got up early.

    I have a book containing the Federalist Papers but, no, I have only read a bit of the book. It's still packed away, since my last move,

    However, since you took issue with my belief that the Constitution is a living document, I would say it is up to you to prove that it is not.

    Now, since you're an expert on the Federalist papers, maybe you can cite the statements that convinced you that the document is written in stone.

    I'll wait. I'm going off line for a few hours.
     
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    Never claimed to be an expert, but I have read some excerpts from Thomas Jefferson and how he felt about our constitution.

    The Founders on a Living Constitution
    by James D. Best

    The Founders believed that the Constitution was a legally binding agreement between Americans and their government. What would the Founders think about a living Constitution? Here is what some of them had to say in their own words.

    On every question of construction carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed. —Thomas Jefferson

    The first and governing maxim in the interpretation of a statute is to discover the meaning of those who made it. —James Wilson, in Of the Study of Law in the United States

    The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government. But the Constitution, which at any time exists, ‘till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. … If in the opinion of the people the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this in one instance may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. — George Washington
     
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    Your quotes DON'T support your allegation that the Constitution is not a living document. In fact they do the exact opposite and establish that it was INTENDED to be a living document.

    For example;

    The Constitution was originally DESIGNED to be a LIVING DOCUMENT which is why the Founding Fathers incorporated an Amendment process.
     
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    You're exactly right. The Constitution is a Living Document because it was purposely designed so that it could be changed (amended) so it could better meet our future needs.

    What other conceivable reason would there be for having the amendment option? It is there because the Founders were intelligent enough to know that they could not see into the future. So they added this safeguard to insure its usefulness and relevance well into the future. They were men, not Gods — and they knew that. So they built in some safeguards for us.
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good to meet ya.

    Got a fiver?
     
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    22catch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Welcome :) there's an awful lot of smart people here albeit they often will use that Intellect to project their own bias.. But if patient can learn a ton about many things

    I'm an ignorant man on so many subjects, and these forums have been an Oasis to me from the MSM and social platforms

    Look forward to your insights
     
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    Wrong.

    instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed. —Thomas Jefferson
     
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    22catch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    See OP? No where is safe haha not even a welcome thread that's been hijacked. Good stuff eh? :smile:
     
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    Yeah sure, there is an amendment procedure, but it is quite difficult process. And we ALL know which amendment you liberals would like to scratch! The 2nd amendment, one of THE most important rights that we as free citizens have. Do you think the founding fathers would agree? They wanted citizens to be as powerful as any centralized government body! So don't think you are pulling the wool over anyone's eyes. You are transparent as the day is long!
     
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    So I will assume you are PRO 2nd amendment and not an anti-rights poster. Very glad you are here!
     
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    I said welcome. The libs are the ones who want to argue with the OP about the Constitution, no?
     
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    I'm just doing a good deed and helping out a newbie. :)
     
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    Ironic that you misunderstand what Jefferson is actually saying!

    Originalists are the ones he is upbraiding by saying that they are trying squeeze something out of the text as opposed to the MEANING behind what was passed.

    But that is the problem with originalists. They don't comprehend that without freedom FROM religion there can be no freedom OF religion. Jefferson explicitly explained that the MEANING of that was to build a wall of separation between church (AKA religion) and state (AKA the government of We the People.) To an originalist the text does not include the term "from" therefore there can be no freedom from religion which is a failure to comprehend the MEANING as to what was passed in the 1st Amendment.
     
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    We have a lot in common, not the least of which is what you said in your last sentence.

    I, too, play a guitar, a Takamine acoustic that I bought in 1973. I just play it for pleasure, around a campfire with friends and such. Welcome to the forums!
     
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