I was trying to rack my brain what modern feminism is about and i can't really see any fight that's needed to be fought in western society. I live in the UK and all boys and girl's literally have the same education and chances in life and they can take any path they wish to take. When they are in jobs it doesn't matter if you're a man or women you are paid exactly the same. Everything is fair here and as how it should be. Also men and women have exactly the same rights, there is a discrepancy regarding that courts always favour women over men in child custody desputes but lets ignore that one difference. So in regard of rights its equal. Socially women and men are genrally not victimised because of their gender. There is no advantages to being a man or woman in that regard. It seems pretty clear cut that their are no extra advantages in life in in the uk if you are a man or a woman. I just dont know what the fight is about? A few things it could be about, is muslim clutures oppressing women, genital mutilation in some cultures, child brides in africa, women sold into the sex trade e.t.c . All these things happen in diffetent cultures and countries. Would it be fair to assume that feminism would be 99% focused on helping and liberating these horribly oppressed women in other cultures and countries? I would like to hear from the people in this movement and hear exactly what they are about and what they aim to accomplish?
For one thing I disagree with you about men and women generally not victimized because of gender. One in four women has been sexually assaulted or raped and now that is something that women are addressing. Men are now aware of that putting their hands on women inappropriately makes women uncomfortable. Yes women are gaining more opportunities and just remember the same rhetoric was used years ago. “What do women want”?..and we have gained so much . We still objectify women and stress their looks Women still get paid less than men for a comparable work
I will bet my last gold tooth that the OP completely ignores all the reasons and accomplishments you just gave.
Well in the UK it's illegal to pay women less who carry out the exact same role. So that is not a problem over here. Also raping and sexually assaulting women or anyone in that matter is illegal in the uk and has serious consiquences. Uk citizens are outraged by sex offenders and hate them with a passion. Even other criminals do, and often sex offenders need to be segregated in prisions to stop other inmates brutally assalting them or even murdering. People already know being a rapist is bad, what else can you actually do? The law and awareness is already there. Being touched in a not sexual way is not really an issue. Im a male and i am touched and hugged by other male and female work mates all the time, it's not an issue. Its just human nature and friendly. I would hate society to become so emotionally frigid that you need consent touch somebody. Also if it is umwanted in the work place (i assume this is where you are suggesting happens) and you tell the person and continue you can file grievance reports and HR takes it extremely seriously. If it don't stop 90% it does, the person is either moved or dismisses. So yes i can see you're point there judgment and pressure from other females needs to be addressed. As for feninists fighting for women not to have to look pretty. I honestly don't see pressure from men, men will generally just not notice sloppy unattractive females. The the pressure nearly always come from other females.
Feminism is just another way to use identity politics for one party. It has became a weapon the left uses to ruin people.
I'm just trying to understand. To me it seems feminism is fighting a non existant battle in western societies. Laws and society have advanced enough to ensure equality for all it's citizens. I'm just trying to see if I'm ignorant and there are "real" issues that havent been addressed by laws, rights e.t.c?
Do you really believe that just because something is illit doesn’t happen You are very logical about sexual harassment in the workplace but it is very hard for a woman to do for fear of losing her job and that’s what usually happens. We shouldn’t be trying to educate women but we should be trying to educate men to keep their hands off men and women where they might be uncomfortable
As I said heard that same rhetoric for decades,....We never really finished sexual-harassment and that you’re is changing
So you think that women on the right who are Republicans are just little pieces of fluff and don’t care about equality?
Perhaps feminists do have a point about Sexual Harassment, etc. Many strong and intelligent women are addressing these problems. As men, we have a legal right and a moral duty to concentrate on issues disproportionately affecting men: -- Discrimination against men in family courts and divorce -- The fact that men receive 63% longer sentences for the same crime -- Presumption of Guilt for men accused of Sexual Misconduct -- The fact that male victims of Domestic Violence are more likely to be arrested then helped. Now the public is much more sympathetic to male victims then 20 years ago. That is the result of online activism for over 20 years. -- Acceptability of hate speech against men in respectable media. You can help educate the public about these issues.
Since you obviously see yourself as a victim why don’t you do what women did and start a movement and get involved rather than just sit around and whine
The movement to address issues of Discrimination Against Men started long ago, and I was a part of it since 1996. By now we have succeeded in making a significant percentage of people in General Public realize that there are many ways in which men are being discriminated. Also, attitudes toward male victims of Domestic Violence have changed for the better since 20 years ago. I do not deny that there are issues women face. But all men have legal right and ethical duty to advocate for men's issues.
It's really simple first of feminists will tell you that feminism is fighting for equality of women, this is untrue because at the moment they got the right to vote they would have had to sign up for the selective services. So it's about privilege. Lately it seems to be about excusing single mothers from the damage they are doing to our society. 80% of people that are in prison come for me home with no father. 80% of the children that suffer abuse come from a home with a single mother. They want to glorify this because they can't do it on their own.
Well the one in 4 rape statistic is false, the idea that women get paid less for the same work is false. It would be wise for someone to ignore bullshit.
I would suggest you simply do as I do and imagine yourself as a woman in the worst case scenario. You grow up being molested by uncle pervy, go to school and get a job making less than stupid Joe next door, put up with Johnny grabbing your ass while trying to look down your shirt, have religious folk threatening to take over your body legally, and always worry that you might be judged publicly because you like to eat. Then there are the personal issues that come about do to all of it and the many men who biatch about all the stuff they know nothing about.....hope that helps.
Dear Yant0s and anyone who really wants to understand, Such unfortunate women do in fact exist. Many strong and intelligent women are helping them! But as a man you have a legal right and ethical duty to help male victims! It is your moral duty and legal right to help men like him. In 2019, many more men and some women are aware of men's issues then in 1999, but we must do more. PS. I was never abused. But I read many sad biographies.
