HEre is the smoking gun. Russia is on Trump's side, and is colluding.

You were the one that made the false claim:

Now that you are experiencing butt-hurt because your claim was proven false you can do nothing but whine.

 

Since you clearly lied about who said the seventeen agencies now you are trying to divert. Nice try but a fail. Or perhaps you just don't understand the meaning of seventeen. Hint, it doesn't mean concensus.

 

Don't blame me for you making demonstrably false claims. You said there was a "consensus". When I refuted your claim stating that 3 of 17 was hardly a consensus. You went on a name calling rant "prove it ... you do not even know the names of the 17"

If you are the one claiming "consensus" it is up to you to prove your claim = that the majority of the 17 concurred.

I then posted a link supporting my claim and listing all 17. Rather than correct your perspective in line with the facts ... you whine and demonize.

 

<Mod Edit Rule 2> That is a fact. And it is also a fact that the DNI that all those agencies report to has said The Russians did it. If that isn't a concensus nothing will be. OR perhaps you can actually find one single agency that has disagreed. Thought not. You can believe whatever fiction you want but you are obviously unable to find any facts to support your opinions.

To make it simple for you there has not been one single agency that has disagreeed with the finding that the Russians attempted to influence the election. That is about as good a consensus as you can get or do you think they all have to come out individually and issue separate statements saying Russia attempted to influence the election. If that is your criteria for concensus then you win.

 

The legislation limited the ability of the president to lift the sanctions unilaterally, encroaching on the executive branch's authority. But Congress would not go as far as impeaching him and Medvedev doesn't understand how it works in Washington.

 

<Mod Edit-Rule 2> You were the one that said there was a consensus among the intelligence community.
I stated there was not ... and that there were 3 of seventeen. Obviously the "consensus" then includes the 17 .. <Mod Edit- Rule 3>

Since it was you who said the consensus agreed ... it is not up to me to prove that there was no consensus. It is up to you to prove there was.

My claim was fact and I backed it up with a link stating that it was 3 of the 17.

<Mod Edit- Rule 3>

 

Smoking gun? No, this is just someone blowing smoke...again...outta their arses.

Given the NSA has all of your communications, stored, as well as trump and his team, if there were any evidence of collusion, Clapper would not have said there was none. Don't you guys keep up with reality? Are you clueless as to the powers of the NSA? Hell Clapper lied in front of congress in regards to this. Where were you guys when whistle blowers revealed our reality? That all of us, every communication we make, is recorded, stored, and could be sourced at any time. So behave yourself or your wife might discover how many times you wet you pee pee in another woman, or if a dem, a man. LOL

These trump Russia collusion people are so dumb. Dumber than a bag of hammers. But people who are disconnected from the reality of our national security state tend to be dumb, clueless. Most voted for Hillary.

 

Wasn't the 'proof' that these agencies used also just a repost of a third party's conclusions? Did something change and the govt got a chance to review the DNC servers?


And I do think the Russians interfered via Twitter and Facebook. I know enough about computers to know that an actor like Russia or China could easily fake evidence.

 

Sure, the power delegated to the executive branch was usurped by congress, which is unconstitutional and yet trumps justice dept is complicit in this behavior by not taking this to the highest court. A presidents power was always the strongest when it came to foreign affairs. That congress took this power away should be a hanging offense. But those people who finance the campaigns of congress demand a cold war with Russia.....for it fills their bank accounts. War is still a racket as revealed by Gen. Butler long ago.

As Putin noted, presidents come and go, but those agents who set foreign policy are not presidents, and are more powerful than an elected representative of the people. So it does not matter what a president wants. So as the Princeton study tried to tell us, the republic is dead, replaced by an ruling class oligarchy.

The ruling elites demand that Russia be a great enemy. For this fills their pockets, which rebuilding our infrastructure...not so much. The big money for the elites is in perpetual war for perpetual peace. So no president can have better relations with Russia. And so many americans are just too stupid to see what is self evident. Perhaps their stupid little lives will end when a bridge collapses with them on it. No money for infrastructure, for the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming, for one **** on my head.

 

The first delivery of US Liquified Natural Gas arrived by ship in Lithuania this week.

Up until now, the East European had been getting their oil and gas supplies from Russia. The Russian have been using the threat of cutoffs to co-erce the East European into not challenging their policies.

During his recent trip to Poland, PRESIDENT TRUMP promised the East Europeans a steady, stable supply from the US. That promise has been kept.

If the East Europeans turn to the US, Russia's influence will evaporate like so much gas.

Does that sound like collusion?.

 

I read a lot of history and recall reading about one Byzantine emperor who tried to take power away from the elites. A military crisis unfolded and the elites who were in a position to help sabotaged the emperor's efforts and the Byzantine's lost a huge part of the empire. It seems likely that some would take this country down in order to take Trump with it.

 

Neither you nor I have any idea what information the US intelligence agencies used to come up with their conclusions.

 

It's awfully quiet on this website. Are Trump haters and baiters hybernating until; Hurricane Harvey to blow over so they can get their daily fixes of anti-trump rants from cable news?

I didn't think they dreamed this stuff up on their own.

 

Russia warns Trump that water is wet! Smoking gun!!!

 

But, the struggle remains, like Creationism vs Evolution.

Truths dear to the heart are as valid as the real thing don'tchyaknow.

Why hasn't Hillary gotten around to blaming the Jews yet?
I read she is known for antisemitic rants.
She might even gain sympathy from American Nazis, KKK, et al.

Who next? The Chinese. Here and there working together to subvert a Hillary victory.

Then who? Hugh Hefner. Yes. Blame misogynist Hugh Hefner.

And who the week after? Nominations are now open.
Nominate who Hillary should blame next.

 

No, they're still at it with some outraged saying Trump pardoned Arpaio during the hurricane so people wouldn't notice, and the others who said Trump pardoned Arpaio during the hurricane so that it would give more press to the pardon and less to the hurricane.

 

A consensus which never provided one shred of evidence. That the Press will not investigate this is not surprising, since all contrary voices have been blacked out in MSM.

No one would have ever seen what wilkileaks published from the DNC if not for wilkileaks. The metadata acquired by G2 has not been questioned, and no one has asked for it. So your comment of nonsense is in itself nonsense. It is no secret anymore of what the NSA does. If a hack had taken place, by Russia on the DNC, the NSA has evidence that this happened, and they would be able to show the transfer of data to someone located elsewhere. No great secrets would be revealed, since we know already what the NSA does, and Clapper got caught lying about it. In that consensus report it was carefully worded, to show there was no evidence at all, and they were making an educated guess. And yet they could have sourced the data transfer, which would have allowed them to at least state they had the NSA evidence.

My money says, if the metadata used, that VIPS is using, and which they provided copies of, was looked at by other experts, this metadata would be proved to be legit. But no one wants to look, just as MSM does not want to verify it, or it destroys them, and reveals the truth of the ruse.

VIPS provided the metadata to the trump admin, and I would imagine it would be provided to anyone who is serious, if asked. No one has asked. And this too is nonsense. When Amb. Murray stated to one news outlet in the UK that Russia was not the source for wilkileaks and that he knew the source, the media blackout that went into place is nonsense, and so Murray was not investigated, nor his claims. A critical intellect would have questioned this. In fact, we have seen media black out in regards to this Russian ruse since early on, so as to allow only one story to be in the awareness of the public. You do not get such a media blackout if we had a free press. So, all of the people who are credible, who questioned the Russian hacking story, we not given a voice in MSM. I know what this looks like to me, but it does not bother you, obviously.

VIPS will stand behind the info they have presented. If you know anything about VIPS you would know they are not shysters but concerned honest men with integrity, unlike the intel you mentioned. Of course, you must have amnesia to be able to trust intel over VIPS. VIPS came into light when they called out the intel that took us to war in Iraq, and called it bogus, before we used it to invade. So, unlike our intel, they have a good track record. To believe intel, which provided no evidence, over VIPS who provided evidence is the real nonsense here. Are you vested in the Russian hacking story, for political reasons? I think so. I doubt the truth really matters. For if it did you would not knee jerk into attacking VIPS.

 

Look, the people who can believe what intel says, the CIA, and NSA in particular have amnesia, but also, they really are not connected to reality. These people have never researched these intel agencies, never read one book by some of the retired CIA people, and rely upon their information from MSM, which is fed propaganda, lies by the CIA. Mockingbird did not die, it just went into the dark. For what Mockingbird provided for the CIA was essential, for otherwise how would the CIA spread disinfo, lies, propaganda in order to manufacture consent for what they had planned?

IMO, the people who do trust the CIA, in particular either are in some way a part of the charade, or just know nothing of how these intel agencies operate and the agenda in place. It is known that the CIA and NSA have operated outside of our constitution, and there is enough evidence there for the critical thinkers to understand what these agencies are today. In fact, the CIA is the most powerful anti constitutional force in existence, due to the legal ability to play the secrecy card. Which has been used to cover up the rogue nature of these intel groups.

The CIA has two divisions, the analytical division as set up by Truman, but also the covert operations division which sucks up most of their funding, and is habitually operating outside of our constitution. The covert division was copied after the KGB of the USSR, and exceeded the KGB when it comes to nefarious operations. JFK when discovering what the CIA had turned into, said he wanted to break it into a thousand pieces, due to the dangers it presented to a constitutional republic. Since that time, it seems that the CIA, simply tells any president what he can do when it comes to foreign policy.

The power of the CIA was seen when Schumer told MSM that the CIA can go after a president 6 ways from sunday. A major story, for any constitutional republic and yet got hardly any coverage, as to the implications. Yet no surprise given how MSM has blacked out the contrary voices of experts to called out the Russian hacking as a ruse, even early on. You saw a little coverage of VIPS and their conclusions derived from an analysis of metadata, but not much at all. And not one single journalistic investigation into the claims of VIPS. Convenient, but also something that is so common these days.

Anyone who would believe those 3 intel agencies, in that report, without one shred of evidence to back up their consensus is not a critical thinker, given the history of intel. Even the way that report was written should make people suspicious, and yet it was hardly questioned, for MSM blackout insured it would not be, at least by experts, and credible men. This should cause the hairs on the neck to stir but only in some people. The people who had not developed amnesia, and who are better educated in regards to intel, especially the CIA and NSA.

The great numbers of analysts in the CIA are good people, believe in the constitution but that is not always the case in the appointed people in the covert operations division. You can bet that the people who agreed on that intel report damning Russia for hacking and providing wilkileaks with that info were cherry picked. In order to convince americans Russia helped trump by providing those hacks to wilkileaks. But this was also a means test, which reveals the percentage of weak minds, who are easily fooled by authority, and then those critical thinking minds that will not buy into the lies. Incoherence is always a red flag, and there was a ton of it here. Then when the black outs began and continued, of contrary expert voices, the smoke was thick enough to smother, and should have been noticed.

 

<--- stupid, fake, Russia excuse for Hillary's loss.

Does anyone really still buy the "Russia hacked the election" line we heard from the Hillary camp the day after Hillary lost?

 

Feel free to post a link to the metadata or go home. And post where VIPS says they have seen the data or released it to the Trump Administration. Everything I read says that only Forensicator has seen the data and at that there is no authentication of the data's validity.

 

You have had more smoking guns than the shoot out at the O.K. Corral.

 

How many times have you posted "this is it"

 

The Ministry of Truth is the Ministry of Propaganda. We are living in Orwell's Totalitarian world of 1984 where "Big Brother" is everywhere and the State expends huge efforts trying to control what people think.

The "thought Police" already exist.

 

Great post. The fact that the CIA and NSA are known liars who's job it is to create propaganda definitely factor's into the equation.

 

Orwell turned out to be a prophet. I remember in the early 60s reading 1984 and back then what the book laid out was just unthinkable. And yet, having read the book again recently, there is no doubt we live in a ptost 1984 America. It is uncanny. That more people are not aware of this, and reject it has to be because of the frog boil paradigm. I am shocked that the older people like myself are just so accepting of the post 1984 America, but surely the division, the hatred of the left for the right and vice versa figures into it.

And then there is the factor of ignorance and stupidity. We have people here who have amnesia in regards to the CIA, the NSA, when what was revealed about intel post 911 should have taught these people important lessons. Yet these people act as if it never happened. LOL It reminds me of someone who gets conned out of his bank account in a walmart parking lot, to only return the next day and lose his savings account to the exact same confidence man. This is a good example for we had a mark get conned out of a few thousand bucks last year, at walmart.