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    Why would you say dangerous?
     
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    Students could be assassinated for progressive thinking.
     
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    Iran's currency was one of the most valuables. Shah was OPEC's manager and practically holding oil's power in his hands. And he even made the oil's price almost tripled that caused major inflation in europe. Iranian passport could travel to 140 countries without visa. I call it powerful.
     
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    That's not true it's just the "Priest's" propaganda. My own father was a student in one of the best universities those days. I can assure you. You're wrong about it.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Shah was a Fascist, an enemy of Democracy, and wealthy. That does not make Iranians prosperous. Iran doesn't decide to what countries its citizens can travel without a visa. THAT is mostly decided by sanctions from abroad.
     
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    And did your father support Democracy? Did he support freedom of speech? Did he support equal rights?
     
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    I don't care about Fascist or not. And I don't see Democracy as a solution at all. As long as people are having a good life, driving the best cars in the world, government is protecting the environment ,production is widespread in country and people are not struggling to provide their daily needs there's no problem whatsoever with him being wealthy.
     
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    Yes he did very much he did
     
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    Well they will not worry me, as long as I understand your meaning.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't even need a crystal ball to know that.
     
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    I recall the days of the Shah, as I attended many anti-Shah demonstrations organized by the local Iranian Students Association.
    What sticks out in my mind from those days is that many of these students were, supposedly, Maoists, and, many had gold wristwatches.

    If only the Americans had supported Mossadegh, had taken over the payments to the British that they were afraid of losing (British Petroleum's holdings in Iran contributed a significant amount to the British treasury) ... he might still have been overthrown by the mullahs, but at least we wouldn't have gotten the blame.

    But ... history progresses three steps forward, two steps backward.

    Unless there is a huge devastating nuclear or biological war that destroys us all, Iran is destined to become a leading power in the world.

    It's a shame about the Shia/Sunni thing, because Iran ought to be the power that pulls all the rest of the Muslim Middle-East forward, along with the Central Asian Muslim republics.
    In Europe, we used to wage terrible wars, with lots of killing, over the Protestant/Catholic thing. Now it's irrelevant, except in couple of backwaters like Ireland and (Yugoslavia, if you
    count the Croat/Serb dispute as an example).
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I also recall the anti-Shah student demonstrations at my university in Germany (75-76) and I later travelled through Iran during the Revolution, that is to say, the end of 1979. I left the country passing through the Pakistan border only a couple of days before the U.S. embassy was taken. Iranians have much to be proud of. It's a pity the "the west" is bent on its destruction and while being forced to defend itself Iran has had to give up so much.
     
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    I don't think the mullahs were just being defensive, although they had every reason to fear a violent intervention from the US.
    They were (are?) True Believers.
    I was very impressed with Ayotollah Khomeini, who was NOT an Iranian nationalist, but committed to Islam, and famously said he would rather see Iran burn, than to give up that committment.
    A true internationalist.
     
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    That's true that Shah's government wasn't sth ideal and Shah himself was a puppet of west. But in his about last ten years he started to act as a patriot. He built most of Iran's infrastructure and iranians WAS living well. Interesting statistics in the last 8 years of his reign the inflation rate was about zero. The problem was that he was getting TOO powerful. He was practically the most powerful individual in those days according to westren media. And he was kind of oil holder and gendarme of the region. Iran was world's China in those days and was converting to a productive country the one that was being able to process her own oil and produce from it. And as a result Iran wouldn't need to sell her resources to the west like today. And even Iran's military was really progessing and it was 6th military in the world. So what the west is ought to do in these circumstance just to sit back and watch the re-rising of persian empire? HELL NO. As Eisenhower once said "We should never let Iran to be powerful go read Iran's history and you'll know what I'm talking about".
    Before this revolution the darkest moment in Iran's history was about 1300 years ago when arabs came to Iran with their absolute brutality and defeated the sassanids in Iran and ruined a prosperous Iran with religious idialogies.
    That's exactly what happened in 1979. The only problem with Shah's reign was that he didn't tolerate any elections. He was calling himself the king of kings. And westren media started to feed these nonsense into iranian's brains that look how dictator Shah is. But no one bothered to see if we have a productive country with a good economy why do we even need any elections.
    Imagine if one day ME countries start to process their oil and be productive and not consumer. Then they won't ever sell their oil to the west and restore it for themselves or they sell it at a high price (exalty as Shah did). Then what will happen to the west? About 90 percent of world's oil is stationed in ME. US, UK and others will never allow that because it means their death. There are two forms they want ME countries to be in. Like UAE or Qatar just sell the oil and live luxury but never dare to be productive which Saudi is converting into. Or to be a war zone. Iran's form is an exception. What is better for US than these "Priests"? They are holding Iran's progress with their corruption and at the same time giving US excuse to be in the region militarily and sell war equipment and even their animosity towards Israel is gathering the world around jews and they are being more and more powerful for Iran's imminent threat.
     
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    For me, Iran's former (first ever?) popularly elected PM Mossadegh is an Iranian hero, who was obstructed from creating a modern secular state in Iran, because of interference from British and US interests during the early days of the Cold War with the USSR.

    I see the overthrow of Mossadegh in a CIA-backed coup as an absolute tragedy for Iran, which in the end (up to the present) resulted in the imposition of government based on the Koran.

    Actually, the US today is almost as bad in this respect, when we have people like Pence and Pompeo in the administration who believe that international politics is an eternal war that will end only with the 'Rapture' ie, the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.

    The ironic part is the Koran is correct in this regard; Jesus was a great prophet of God, not God himself.
    Note: in the West the Trinity mythology was developed and formalised long after Christ lived.

    Hope this outline of my understanding of events is thought provoking for you, who it seems is
    a refugee from your own country.
     
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    I do believe Mossadegh was a hero. Someone who tried to take Iran's oil from UK and US and make oil industry a national industry even though sometimes you hear that he was an USSR asset to defy UK and US's interests in Iran.(Unfortunately Iran's history in that era is really distorted)
    If Mossadegh could hold the power and shape the government , lives of iranian people would be very different for generations. But as iranian queen Farah once said "Oil is our national treasure and at the same time the cause of our doom."
     

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