High School Boy Wins All-State Honors In Girls Track And Field

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You do realize your argument is falling on deaf ears, right? It's too bad this boy wasn't a 220 pound safety who just signed a letter of intent to play with 'Bama. Do you think their argument would then change somewhat?

    Oh, and you forgot the Adam's apple.
     
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    Follow up. Nearly 50% of those who undergo SRS - and after going thru all the counseling and year or two living and dressing 100% as female plus all the hormone stuff - end up attempting or succeeding at suicide. Less than 1000 transgender a year even do the surgery - even such as Jenner not doing so despite having $100 million dollars. He's not a woman, he's a transvestite she-male (at best if not just a publicity stunt).

    Fact is they can't become "female." And regardless of how good looking, many people will always know they are a man. People are well conditioned to the slightest tiny fine details of other people's appearances, body language, facial expressions etc. Only truly gorgeous or really ugly and obese people can nearly universally pass as the other gender because of the distraction factors.

    It really would make MORE sense for true transgenders/transexuals to see themselves as a 3rd gender - rather than trying to be the opposite sex they were born to, which they can't. I believe they increasingly realize they can't - so come into a true discomfort with themselves - which nearly every transgender will tell of. They are not comfortable in their own skin as a man. But won't be as a woman either. That desperate need to perfectly fit an exact stereotype being impossible leads to perpetual misery. It would make far more sense for them to perceive themselves as a unique 3rd gender. But for most, it likely more accurate they really are a "she-male" and many she-males are content with themselves as they are not in constant self denial or trying to pretend to be what they are not, ie "a woman."
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Uhm... Boys and girls are born differently, built differently, behave differently, they're different creatures. They just are. But now let me ask YOU a question.

    What was/still is a reason for boys and girls to be segregated in sports? And why is there a NEED to change that?
     
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    "She-male." Though I wouldn't use "freak." They aren't women. The phrase she-male has been around a long time and most men who get a boob job are in fact a she-male, not a woman.
     
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    I don't mean freak in the woman who's really kinky way, but yeah, She-male would be fine.

    Let them run their own races with each other.

    Give them their own bathrooms only they can go into.

    Maybe even separate sections in restaurants. By the kitchen.

    Then they can be special.



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    Anthropologists can also claim to be able to figure out someone's race looking at their bones. What is your point?

    She-males and transvestites are two separate things.

    This is where I say Facts are attempts at truth. Facts do not exist because in the end, truth is something we will never understand. It's completely possible to imagine a world where this is false. A better example of this is tongue rolling. Tongue rolling is supposedly caused by genes, let's say x. However it's completely possible to imagine a world where tongue rolling is caused by genes y. So which is it then? Genes X or Y?

    Also because there always exceptions to those tests. It's possible to imagine a male with a lower center of gravity.

    Yeah...... Making biological arguments usually also comes with an exception. Not really what we need when we're defining words.

    Of course a person is who they think they are. Hence why making any biological arguments is silly. We're talking about the social constructs of gender, race, intelligence, ability, etc., not what a person physically is.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh ok, so no rights.
    Didn't think so
    Yet you called it a right again... <sigh>

    Argue that the competition is not fair or places a burden on women
    But don't argue it as a rights issue - it's isn't. For the woman or the trans boy girl person.
     
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    As for why they're segregated: Social constructs say that men and women don't compete together.
    As for why there needs to be a change- to allow for true competition to emerge.

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    Everyone's thought processes makes them who they are. She is no exception.

    Then are you going to accept the discrimination that goes along with it?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've heard a similar argument before... I cannot place where?
    Do they also get their own waterfountains?
     
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    Are you a sexist or a male chauvinist? Why are you okay with males having their own sports and pushing women out of their sports in womens sports? Isn't that about equal rights for women? Oh geez, there goes that word rights again. Why are you so against women?
     
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    OK then, lets force integrate all sports and watch as both women and those men who think they are women get put in the stands because they are not good enough to make the starting squad,

    Then you will be in the bleachers screaming that they should apply affirmative action and that every school team should be forced to play a certain amount of women and guys that think they are girls just so you can get closer to the sideline.
     
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    Who got cut from a team? She won because she was good. And as far as I'm concerned, equal rights is the inherent idea of sports. Make everything equal and let the best player emerge from those same conditions.
     
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    Prepare for women to never win in physical competition again and get crushed in the process.

    His processes can impregnate another woman.
     
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    Absolutely nothing. Even if I believed in reality then that would still tell me nothing. Where's your link to your source?
     
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    No, all that is just diversionary talk by you. Athletics is not about social constructs, it is about athletic ability.

    Anthropologists generally can not determine race by measuring bones. They can make estimates sometimes on facial structure. They absolutely can determine what a person's sex was by measuring bones. That actually applies to virtually all mammal species, not just humans in terms of pelvis comparisons. Females birth offspring, males do not - even if you THINK otherwise.

    A man who is (using your terminology) a woman by gender, is still a man by sex in athletics because he has male bone structure, anatomy, muscle structure and metabolics. No, a person is NOT who they think they are. A person isn't tall because they think they are tall. Isn't thin because they think they are thin. That's just nonsensical gibberish.

    Professional basketball players are tall. It is not that they think the are tall. Men have longer legs per height than women because they are men. Thinking they are women doesn't make their legs shorter.

    It is clear you want all the positives of being a woman, but absolutely would not endure any of the negatives that actually would take. Once again, is having your legs shortened above and below your knees and your pelvis widened on your wish-list? If not, then you have no desire to actually be a female.

    It truly is absurd for you to claim that physical ability is irrelevant to athletics, literally absurd.
     
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    Then I am owed $50million from Bank of America because I believe it so. Based on your argument I should get my $50million just because my brain says I am owed it.
     
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    A natural born girl wasn't able to fill that position on the team because HE took it from her. HE should've been on the boys team.
     
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    Wow! So now you're comparing living, breathing human beings to apples......your post of liberal babble is to much nonsense.......
     
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    So what you're advocating for is the complete integration of sports? So someone in Peewee sports compete against the professionals? No, makes no sense. Makes more sense to group people by skill rather then physique.

    Define Affirmative Action. Then you'll start to see why your position advocates for Affirmative Action.

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    Not a Liberal. Ever hear of Nihilism?

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    She got that position because she worked for it. That has nothing to do with sex. She worked hard and got it.

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    Sure. Your brain says that. So go do it. Just remember everyone else's brain operates on the same logic.
     
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    Sort of like the other girls on this team don't agree with him competing on the girls team?
     
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    I don't follow your logic.

    This is the part where I say that females can get each other pregnant. #biology.
     
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    There's something I love to believe. Everyone draws from the same well even if they come at it from different sides.
    That was actually a claim made by an Anthropologist professor who also has training in forensic anthropology. He was giving a lecture on race, I attended. He did a good job explaining everything.

    [video=youtube;ILkkpMEzlZY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILkkpMEzlZY[/video]

    Break it down. What is this joke saying?

    Sure they're tall. But does that make them the best basketball players that they can possibly be?
    I would love to have the biology of a woman. But since that's irrelevant, I am still who I say I am.

    This is actually because I do a lot of bicycling. Most of it is a mental game, physical endurance only exists because the mind says to keep in the game.

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    Who don't agree with her being on the team? Yes I am making a claim that that is how brains work yes.
     
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    I'm not ok with males having their own sport, women have just as much capability as men.
    If a woman wants to be able to play in the NFL she should be able to do so, or the NHL, or FIFA

    Under the current system they cannot. And I'm the chauvinist? Ok, that makes about as much sense as its a "right" for women to have their own lessor version of everything.
     
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    Yeah yeah yeah, there are no gay people and they can't marry either.
    We all understand.
     
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    Well said.
     

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