Highest rate of gun deaths in 20 years

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  1. Diablo

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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/13/us-gun-deaths-levels-cdc-2017
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    "A steady rise in suicides involving firearms has pushed the rate of gun deaths in the US to its highest rate in more than 20 years, with almost 40,000 people killed in shootings in 2017, according to new figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    The CDC’s Wonder database shows that in 2017, 39,773 people in the US lost their lives at the point of a gun, marking the onward march of firearm fatalities in a country renowned for its lax approach to gun controls. When adjusted for age fluctuations, that represents a total of 12 deaths per 100,000 people – up from 10.1 in 2010 and the highest rate since 1996.

    What that bare statistic represents in terms of human tragedy is most starkly reflected when set alongside those of other countries. According to a recent study from the Jama Network, it compares with rates of 0.2 deaths per 100,000 people in Japan, 0.3 in the UK, 0.9 in Germany and 2.1 in Canada.

    Jama found that just six countries in the world are responsible for more than half of all 250,000 gun deaths a year around the globe. The US is among those six, together with Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela and Guatemala.

    That America is sapped by a continuing epidemic of gun deaths is hardly news. But the new CDC data raises concern that even within that relentlessly consistent story of bloodletting, the carnage continues to worsen.

    While much of the public attention is on the intense tragedies of gun massacres in the US – 2017 saw the deadliest mass shooting by an individual to take place in the country in modern history, when 58 people died in the 1 October rampage on the Las Vegas Strip – in fact most suffering takes place in isolated and lonely incidents that receive scant media coverage.

    Of those, suicide is by far the greatest killer, accounting for about 60% of all gun deaths.

    Here too the age-adjusted rates are showing an alarming increase. In 2017, the CDC data shows, 6.9 per 100,000 – almost 24,000 people – killed themselves with a gun, up from 6.1 in 2010 and 5.9 in 2000."

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    Even without firearms, the Europeans have us beat when it comes to suicide.

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    The more individuals in the united states who follow through with their decision to end their own existence, the better off everyone else is in the long run. The more individuals that take themselves and others out of the equation, the better the rest of the world is as a result of the population continuing to decline.

    Simply because something working itself looks like a problem, does not actually make it a problem.
     
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    It hasn't just been gun suicides. Multiple different suicides have gone up over this same period, including overdose deaths (which some could see as another form of suicide, in many cases).

    older thread with more details about it here: gun deaths have now exceeded car deaths - but that's only due to spike in suicides

    more threads about it:
    Why More White Men Are Dying From Gun Suicides
    Why 'Deaths of Despair' May Be a Warning Sign for America

    Many of these same areas of the country that have had the highest increase in suicides (of all types) happen to be the same areas of the country with higher than average gun ownership rates.
    In particular, the Rocky Mountain West, Appalachia, and the Rust Belt. Oklahoma too to some extent.
     
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    One wonders how many of the suicides and over the top opioid use is by antigun, gun owning liberals, who simply cannot take the fact that after 8 years of hard work of reshaping the U.S. into a socialist society, those plans have been destroyed in less than two years by Trump?
     
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    One can only hope, but somehow I suspect that's a different phenomena going on.

    Most of these never-Trumpers are in states that haven't seen big increases in the suicide rate.
     
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    Any thoughts on what it might be then?
     
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    That same tired claim that if people didnt have access to guns then they would not commit suicide.

    People decide to commit suicide, then they select a method. Removing one method does not solve the reasons a person is considering suicide. In the USA, the first choice for suicide method is a firearm. If the firearm is not available, then they choose hanging, suffocation, poison (those account for about half of all suicides).

    In Australia, firearms were never a major method of suicide (before the 1996 gun ban, less than 20% of all suicide in AUS was by firearm). Post gun ban, the suicide trends (which were trending down before the ban) were unchanged.

    Suicide has a lot more to do with economics, family relations, and employment issues than the availability of a firearm.

    But dont let facts stop you even though arguements like yours (blaming guns for everything) prevents actually helping people.
     
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    Africa and Europe are beating us in suicides, even though they have very restrictive firearm regulations and laws.

    It doesn't require a firearm to take ones life, that tool just makes it easier and less painful for the person who wish's to die.

    It's actually more humane and less painful then the other options.
     
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    So are you going to practice what you preach? Are you going to do your part to "make the world a better place"?
     
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    I'm raising two fantastic boys.
     
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    Excellent.
     
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    It will be done.
     
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    So you posted a link to the article then you posted half the article.
    Your only comment was "Enjoy"
    Not sure what your point is. Is it just that lots of people kill themselves with guns?
    Do you have an opinion on the subject or did you just want to make sure everyone had the opportunity to read it?
    Just being the instigator?
     
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    If your state has a red flag law your guns could be justifiably seized.
     
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    It's an interesting word isn't it?
     
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    "'Assault weapons' are only useful for killing large amounts of people in a short time", so you'd have to be nuts to own one, so under red flag the state can confiscate them. Gee, that was easy.
     
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    Except in defense situations that call for killing more than one person.

    Unfortunately, the criminal mind doesn't always operate as a singular entity.

    Heck, look at the Communist state of Venezuela (about as far Left as you could get), you have criminal groups operating under the protection of the state.
    They use these criminal groups to do things the government itself couldn't do.
     
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    Ultimately for what legitimate, compelling reason?
     
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    Those in favor of these laws never seem to make those connections... They blindly follow their government because... you know... the government is always out for our best interest.... nevermind that across the world governments have killed MILLIONS of their own citizens.
     
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    Prove it?
     

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