Hillary Clinton WINS NH Primary!

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  1. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It looks big now, but wait until after Nevada, South Carolina and the SEC/Super Tuesday primaries. Outside of Vermont which is on 1 March, Clinton will probably win the rest of the states.

    But disinfranchised? The voters of Iowa got to choose how 44 delegates were awarded, Iowa had 8 more super delegates which consisted of 1 elected Democratic House of Representative member and Democratic Party leaders.

    In New Hampshire the voters choose how 24 delegates were divided, New Hampshire also has 8 super delegates, Governor Hassan who has endorsed Clinton, Senator Shaheen who also endorsed Clinton and representative Kuster whom I am unsure whether she endorsed Clinton or not along with 5 Democratic party leaders.

    So with two states in the books, the voters decided how 68 delegates were divided. They had their say there. Of the 16 super delegates, 12 pledged their support to Clinton and 4 are at the moment uncommitted.
     
  2. Hammond_diesel

    Hammond_diesel New Member

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    Yeah, your right about the super delegates. Bernie Sanders isn't apart of the establishment. They won't let him win. Clinton is gonna win the whole thing. Somebody has to finish Obama's plan for world domination. Some how the tides will turn and people will actually support Clinton, just watch. I support Ted Cruz by the way.
     
  3. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You make a good point and that could be what he meant.
     
  4. Curious Yellow

    Curious Yellow Well-Known Member

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    This is essentially what a brokered convention might look like if the GOP decided to go that way to protect the old guard. Pretty disgusting really. Basically undercuts the democratic process completely.

    It's all over the place.

    http://www.npr.org/2016/02/10/46628...ually-winning-in-n-h-even-though-she-lost-big

    15 to 15 for NH.
     
  5. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Any idea why Hillary Clinton conceded victory to Sanders?
     
  6. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    Joan Walsh wonders if Supporting Bernie Sanders is... Racist?

    She wonders if working class whites are voting against Hillary because she served a black president.

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/226483/
     
  7. vino909

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    hard to comprehend how/why anyone would be surprised at this.
     
  8. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    My point was that even though Sanders won the primary in a landslide Clinton got more delegates.

    Isn't the candidate with the most delegates the real winner?
     
  9. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    That's what I suspected. IOW, Sanders has no chance unless the DP establishment decides to kick Clinton to the curb - which would also smell a bit.
     
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    Alucard New Member Past Donor

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    Hooray for Hillary!
     
  11. tsuke

    tsuke Well-Known Member

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    well i guess since it is 15 delegates to 15 delegates hillary and sanders are tied in NH and Iowa. So its not fair to say she won. Still waiting for our first victory of the dem primary :)
     
  12. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    I understand. It seems like a bad approach to selecting a candidate, but I am not a fan of the DP. I assume they have their reasons for doing it this way. Which is not to say that I have much use for the GOP.

    Sanders seems like a sincere change agent. Most of the Republicans make me nauseous every time I see or hear them. The rebels are not repulsive to me - call that an endorsement - I guess. ;-)
     
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    Source? The sources I find say that Sanders took 15 to Clinton's 9.
     
  14. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Ty for that update on the final NH delegate count. I had heard the Sanders actually got fewer delegates. 15 to 15 is way better - really - still stinks, but it is better.

    I have read that the GOP has a strategy for a brokered convention. They seem to think that there base will be so afraid of HRC or Sanders that they will suppress the gag reflex and vote for any GOP candidate.

    That was their theory in the last two presidential elections. Worked well. ;-)
     
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    See this thread. Curious yellow has it at 15/15.
     
  16. robini123

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    Not going to read all 40 posts to read what should have been sourced in the OP. But if the above quote is true how does a tie equal a Clinton win in NH?
     
  17. tsuke

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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    These rules has been in place since 1973. So everyone knew about them. The thing with super delegates, one should expect them to support their Democratic candidate. Sanders is not a registered Democrat, the DNC allowed him to run in the Democratic primary. They didn't have to do so. They should have told Sanders to register as a Democrat first, but didn't. Sanders calls himself a socialist and is classified as an independent. He is like King from Maine, both ran as independents for their senate seats although both caucus with the Democrats and vote the Democratic line.

    So it is no surprise the Democratic super delegates who are members of the Democratic Party would support the Democrat over an independent running in the Democratic Primary. Personally, I do not see what the furor is with Democrats supporting one of their own.
     
  19. tsuke

    tsuke Well-Known Member

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    this is true! all superdelegates should support the democratic candidate hillary. Who cares if voting is 60-38 ? Democratic rules say the vote is not the only thing that matters

    Oh btw. I saw your signature. The rules say gerrymandering is ok and that the vote is not the only thing that should matter.
     
  20. RedDirtWalker

    RedDirtWalker Well-Known Member

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    I'm a little surprised no one has gone here, but if Bernie keeps winning a lot of popular vote, but the Super delegates keep siding with Clinton, think there's a chance that Bernie will run as an Independent?
     
  21. robini123

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    Thanks. Ya, I been reading up on superdelegates and the more I read the more "We The People" rings hollow. Is this a DNC thing only or does the RNC do the same?
     
  22. One Mind

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    Ok boys, let me educate you. The super delegates had already, TENATIVIVLEY pledged to Clinton, as they did when she ran against Obama. But if sanders were to win enough delegates, votes, from the primary races, these super delegates historically have changed to back the vote winner.


    Now, what the MSM is doing, is adding these in with the delegates won from the states. Which is a way to make the sanders voters think there is no reason to vote for him. Quite clever, and if the voters are like the folks here, they will be fooled by the trickery. This is just more of the dirty tricks used by the oligarchy democratic party. We will see something similar from the GOP, perhaps a brokered convention to get trump, if he wins. The entrenched political parties with their puppets will do all they can to protect the oligarchy.

    But if sanders pulls off the long shot, and wins the voter delegates, but the establishment gives the super delegates to Clinton, that is, they do not change, the political revolution will not happen peacefully, but violently. Anyways, as soon as the boomers like me die out, the millennials will take the gov't back, and follow sanders and warren, probably warren for she will still be around.
     
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    as far as i know 0 superdelegates for republicans. Its purely a democrat thing.
     
  24. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, yeah. Don't just love our political system.
     
  25. tsuke

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    yus. I love how your ok with superdelegates but against gerrymandering :)
     

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