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  1. leftysergeant

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    I have a somewhat grotesque sense of humor, but I have my limits. I find it easy to laugh at the possibility that a fire fighter may mis-read a fire and make an ash of himself, and often use the term "crispy critters" to refer to fire victims, but i have an awfully hard time finding anything that Schickelgruber and the dung ball who admire him at all amusing. They were and remain just too pointlessly EVIL.
     
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    I always laugh at this. There was no "Genocide" of Indians in the US. The vast majority died of diseases like Chicken Pox and Measles. Something like 80% of the population died that way, but they got their revenge that lasts to this day (VD). And for every tribe that fought against the "Americans" (Apache), there were many more that never had conflict with the US. And many of the "wars" have been blown way out of proportion in the century since those conflicts ended. However, the Paiute War is a great example. Of the 500 warriors in a tribal grouping of over 18,000 people, only 35 were killed. Hardly a "Genocide".

    No, if you want to know about Genocide, look to Turkey. They still won't admit to what they did, and gave inspiration to Hitler.
     
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    I agree with you generally- if Europeans had been completely peaceful and just living near the Indians 80% of them would have died from diseases anyway. But the forced relocation of the Eastern Tribes- best identified by the Trail of Tears is pretty close to Genocide- but not exactly. Exactly would have been marching them off to Oklahoma and shooting them.

    But the American government under Jackson, and later during the plains wars did many reprehensible and intentional actions which further decimated the American Indians.

    I don't have a problem with talking about things like this but I do have a problem with excusing Hitler by claiming 'everyone' did it.

    Hitler was a monster. You want to talk about other monsters- start a thread about them- but in a thread about Hitler- I will point out every time- Hitler was a monster- who deliberately devised policies that that were intended to exterminate millions of men, women and children.

    I prefer to mock him because i can think of no better way to deglorify him than to mock this bastard in front of those who worship his memory.
     
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    And it was not even all "Eastern Tribes". Just look at the tribes of the Algonquin Nation or the Iriquois and that is obvious. The only Indians that were relocated are the ones that were generally hostile to the settlers. The Americans had very good relations with a great many other tribes, and they still live in what would be prime real estate to this day. Yes, President Jackson may have had problems with the Indians, but also remember there are two sides to that coin. After the Battle of New Orleans, he was sent to fight in the Seminole Wars, mostly as a way to try force the Spanish to garrison the territory and end cross-border raids. His volunteers came under attack, and he then raided their villiage in return. As for other actions, one has to remember that not all tribes and groups were evicted for Oaklahoma, only the most troublesome ones.
     
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    I beg to differ. Most of the 5 Civlized Nations were removed- and not because they were troublemakers but because they were inconvenient. The Cherokee are the best example of this. The Cherokee however happened to be in the way of a gold rush.

    We had a grand tradition of evicting Indians in the United States whenever they occupied land that my European ancestors desired- or in the case of California, the Spanish/Mexicans desired. Almost every place Indians still own today is either because at the time no one thought it was worth anything, or because they struggled legally for years to hold onto it.

    This is why the largest reservation in the U.S. is the Navajo reservation. Travel around the United States and see. There are exceptions- but seriously Indian lands that are valuable today is mostly a happy accident.
     

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