Hitler Wouldn’t Risk Doomsday, But The United States Did

Daniel Elsberg below reveals that Hitler refused to approve the development of an Atom bomb in 1942 because he had been told it might extinguish all life on this planet.

US atom bomb scientists likewise considered this a possibility but the US military went ahead anyway - and did not inform Hoover of that potential peril.

This little nugget has been kept locked in a dark closet for decades because of fears of US public revulsion.



Interestingly however, it may have been Nazi enriched bomb grade uranium oxide (U235) that was aboard the U-boat U-234 that was captured / handed over to the US at war's end and it was this U-235 that enabled the Manhattan Project to proceed to build the two atom bombs that were later dropped on Japan.

Arguments continue that U-234 was part of a deal between Hitler / Bormann and the US to allow the Third Reich to escape to Argentina along the Ratlines in exchange for much of the most advanced weapon systems the world had ever seen that the Nazis had developed.

 

Don't forget that Hitler also had thousands of tons of Sarin and other nerve gases stockpiled, but didn't use them.

 

Hitler posts were fun for a while but its really getting boring, if you two seek attention maybe post some threads with girl pictures instead ?

 

This is a lie

Hitler wanted the A bomb but failed to produce one before the US did

 

Hitler wouldve used the Abombs on the CCCP, since he considered them "beneath".

Also perhaps Washington, who knows where else.

The Russkis/US can thank the "Nazi" engineers who propelled them into outer space, or assisted anyway.
The Soviets benefitted the most afaic.

 

Yep. Churchill had bio weapons to use too.

 

Your history is flawed, outdated and is part of that dark closet thinking I spoke of above. Seems you bought into it and are uncomfortable to rid yourself of it.

Anyway, that's besides the point.

Igor Witokski - amongst many other authors - discusses this in his book The Truth about the Wunderwuffe and goes into excruciating detail about Hitler's nuclear weapons (plural).

 

You are engaging in revisionist history

Hitler wanted the A Bomb and would have used it if he had it

 

I am far from being fond of Hitler. Let's be clear about that straight off. But he refused to sanction the atomic bomb circa 1942 because he felt it would destroy all humanity. Not just your beloved Ruskies. It was the US that stepped over that line. To the dismay of some of the scientists working on the Manhattan Project as Elsberg notes in his interview.

 

Au contraire. Read Witokski or Brooks (Hitler's Nuclear Weapons) or Stevens (Hitler's Suppressed and Still Secret Weapons) on the subject. Plus what Elseberg said in his interview which you haven't bothered to read. It's all there.

The fact is that you're engaging in sticking your head up your fundament as you always do when faced with facts that diverge from your narrow understanding of rose-tinted history.

 

I have been reading nazi german history for many years and just because a few liberal revisionists want to deny the obvious is not persuasave today

 

The only question I have is what larger cockeyed goal are the lib revisionists pursuing with this whitewash of hitler?

 

You might want to correct that. Oh, and what about Heisenberg's War by Thomas Powers, I don't think that backs up any such claim.

 

Us didn't have to drop the bombs either. Japan was looking for a way to surrender and knew Russia was prepared to attack from the west. The were toast and seeking terms and the pentagon knew it. They wanted to send Russia a message so they killed estimated 250,000 and targeted civilians.

The cold war was direct US policy aimed at isolating and destabilizing Russia, it's former ally who broke the back of the Nazi death machine and making sure the military/industrial/intelligence complex would have something to do to generate profit and war after the fall of Germany and Japan.

 

Why can’t I find drugs this good?

 

Daniel Ellsberg...Isn't that the Democrat warhawk who convinced JFK that we could win a war in South Vietnam with a few "Green Berets" then discovered he wasn't so bright and got it wrong so became a "useful idiot" anti war activist for the Kremlin and released classified records (Pentagon Papers) to the N.Y. Times ?

Pretty sure that's the same Ellsberg who adopted cultural-marxism revisionist history to further the radical left's political agenda.

 

Knock knock!

Who's there?

Hitler!

Again?

:lol

 

The japanese high command was not ready to surrender even after hiroshima and nagasaki

But the emperor involved himself on the side of those who did want to end the war and forced the surrender

If we had invaded japan up to 1 million Americans would have died or been seriously injured

Along with millions of japanese

 

You must be getting paid a lot of money...or are you locked up?

 

Hoover was trounced by Roosevelt 472 to 59 in the electoral college in the 1932 presidential election. Hoover remained unpopular and was without influence the rest of his life. It is most unlikely that Hoover had anything at all to do with the atomic bomb.

 

Neither, I read. I even read history. Here, try it:

"Now, 40 years later, revelations based on privately held and previously classified information continue to illuminate the complex decision-making that led to the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Most Americans assume the reason Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed was simply to prevent a costly invasion of Japan.

However, the newest documents have strengthened the theory that other considerations -- especially the new weapon's impact on diplomacy toward the Soviet Union -- were involved.

The invasion of Japan -- which President Truman claimed might cost up to a million casualties -- was scheduled to begin on Nov. 1 with a landing on the island of Kyushu, with a full invasion in the spring of 1946. (Documents of the time suggest that many planners foresaw far fewer casualties.)

But by the mid-summer of 1945 Japan was in a very bad way. How allied intelligence understood the situation at the time was detailed in a report to the American and British Combined Chiefs of Staff, made public in 1976:

"The increasing effects of sea blockade and cumulative devastation wrought by strategic bombing . . . has already rendered millions homeless and has destroyed from 25 percent to 50 percent of the built-up area of Japan's most important cities . . . . A conditional surrender . . . might be offered by them at any time . . . ."

The Japanese code had been broken early in the war. Faint peace feelers appeared as early as September 1944.

In July, Secretary of the Navy James V. Forrestal's diary described the latest cables as "real evidence of a Japanese desire to get out of the war . . . ."

"Adm. William D. Leahy, who served as chief of staff to the President and presided over the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote in his diary in mid-June that "at the present time . . . a surrender of Japan can be arranged with terms that can be accepted by Japan and that will make fully satisfactory provision for America's defense against future trans-Pacific aggression." Afterwards, Leahy would reflect that "the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan . . . ."

Likewise, Eisenhower would later state that "it wasn't necessary" to hit the Japanese "with that awful thing." On July 20, 1945, in front of Gen. Omar Bradley, he advised Truman of his objections."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...cb6530d/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.97fa133148ce

Or if you are hard of reading you can watch a video from Peter Kuznick, Professor of History at American University:



I like the occasional ad hominem if it's witty though......

 

Yeah. I know. The earth is flat, Hitler's still alive in Argentina, the CIA invented aids and crack cocaine, the Mob killed Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs fiasco, man is detroying the earh, and Jesus is our savior.

 

The hyper Anti American crowd make me chuckle

I can’t see how anyone is so bored in life that they come here and create thread after thread

The only thing that makes sense is they are paid to do it

Otherwise it is an ego thing where their hatred makes them lash out so someone pays attention to them.

Very strange indeed

 

So I"m new here. When the thread finally devolves into stupid insults from people who haven't read any of the material or can't seem to follow a discussion with any level above high school comprehension, does that mean The thread is dead and I've won?

None of these statements have anything to do with the topic and are meant to derail honest discussion.

So far it has been pretty good but I'm hoping for better than this.

 

Hitler's supposed refusal to develop an A bomb and his reasons is flawed revisionism, not current, and the data is incomplete and inaccurate.

He would have nuked Moscow, London, and New York if had the ability.