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  1. Wizard From Oz

    Wizard From Oz Banned at Members Request

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    Because the original designers built the towers to be able to survive an impact from Boeing 707 with a low fuel load. They never envisaged the outer columns and facade system being strong enough to stop an impact. A 767 full load is about 30% heavier than the standard 707, both have comparable top cruising speeds.

    All that aside, please understand the outer walls of the towers were not one continuous surface. They were a series of H frames interconnected to accommodate large amounts of vertical thrust. With lateral force, they where only as strong as the fixings holding them
     
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    Your statement is nothing more than an attempt to dismiss a factual claim. Topspeed IS 558mph, Cruising speed IS 529.40826.
    Stop with the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and just admit you got this one wrong. Continuing to argue from your position only contributes to make you ignorant and dishonest.
     
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  4. Vlad Ivx

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    Whatever manuals you're looking at they take into account the extremest of the conditions. Careful what you're looking at.

    No airliner, EVER, is allowed to exceed 360 mph. That is 579 km/h. Ever wondered why it takes 12 to 14 hours to cross between America and Europe? If airplanes could fly at 86% of Mach 1 it would mean 626 mph which is ridiculous. If it was that simple it would mean crossing the Atlantic in 5-6 hours like Concorde. That 767 was an ordinary commercial airliner, far from a Concorde.

    Look what happens when you push an airliner like 767 beyond its safe speed limit:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQBlv7sZGVE&t=19m22s

    Manoeuvrability is also a great problem:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQBlv7sZGVE&t=16m05s
     
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    Dude!...enough!...your claim is bull(*)(*)(*)(*)...you have been factually refuted and debunked. You're simply WRONG. ADMIT IT!
     
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    Where do you get your information? The average flight from NY to England is about 6 and a half hours.

    Still waiting for you to cite a source for your claim.
     
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    A Concorde transatlantic flight was not 5-6 hours, the average was 3 1/2 hours.

    http://www.concordesst.com/faq.html
     
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    The Concorde could cross the Atlantic in 3 hours.

    I just gave you links to hundreds of aircraft that are currently flying faster than 360 MPH as we speak.
     
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    Nice one. That's interesting. If they can go that fast is one thing but still doesn't explain the shape of the holes. Nobody here comments on the Mythbusters experiments... :smile:
     
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    Post number two did. Hint: Mass.
    Still won't concede you were wrong about the speed?
     
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    Actually he is a debunker.
     
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    The holes are exactly what we should expect to see. Nothing odd about that.
     
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    You didn't read post 26 then?
     
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    Give me whatever mass you want and I could accept it because it makes no difference since you won't be able to explain why columns/ the facade around the area were/ was not bent inwards. The more the mass, the larger an affected area we should see and the more it should be bent inwards. The plane was supposed to PUSH THROUGH, right? There is no evidence that it did PUSH at all.
     
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    They are bent inwards.

    Admit your mistake about the speed.
     
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    In the Mythbusters 2nd experiment you see a steel pole slice a car in 2 from front to back, even the engine is cut yet the steel stays the exact same shape and it hits the car at 560 mph.
     
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    mmmmmmmmmm....so what? How does that remotely dispute what I saw from the ground?...what 10,000 other saw from the ground?

    Do you understand Mass?
     
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    They aren't really. The area just next to the gap is perfect. It too should be bent inwards.

    Lol I already did. What I knew was that passenger airliner didn't exceed 600 km/h but it seems they do.
     
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    Non sequitur.......the car should hit the pole
     
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    I wan't talking about him.

    I was talking about the truther that didn't have the technical skills to figure out that mach .86 is less than the speed of sound.
     
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  22. Vlad Ivx

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    Yep, and I also know about proportionality. That piece of steel in the 2nd experiment to the car is no much different than the exterior steel columns to the plane.
     
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    No you dont - stop making things up
     
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    "Perfect"??? ...as in no defects or damage at all???....Really??? Do you just make this (*)(*)(*)(*) up?
     
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    what you saw on tv was video composited.
     
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