Holes shaped like planes?

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  1. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Spurious reasoning...just because one or two people are unsure of what they saw,It doesn't mean what all the others saw should be questioned

    And what should have Rumsfeld have done? manned a triple A gun on the roof of the pentagon?
     
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    Fact is that specifically at the time that it was already known that AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK, Rumsfeld was seen on the pentagon lawn helping the first responders who very well could have done their jobs without him, his post was at his desk inside the PENTAGON therefore he was AWOL from his JOB. If any low level minion of the military happened to take a coffee break at the wrong time, the brass would have him raked over the coals big time! But the lord high Field Marshall Rumsfeld gets to do as he pleases without consequence?
     
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    Who exactly died and left YOU arbiter of what the secretary of defense's duties are in an emergency?.....No doubt also,the entire Pentagon had been evacuated
     
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    You personally have abdicated your duty in this matter, the fact is that WE THE PEOPLE
    are in charge around here, We pay the taxes that make it all go. WE have the constitutional not only authority but responsibility to pay attention and notice when our public employees are NOT doing their jobs, & indeed not doing, to the detriment of the effort in progress, If the PENTAGON indeed had been evacuated, there would be an alternate command post position that Rumsfeld should have been present there rather than playing at being medics helper. Like I have said before, if any low level minion of the military chose to take a coffee break at the wrong time, he would be most certainly held accountable, but what about Heir Field Marshall Rumsfeld?
     
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    So in other words you're just assuming what 'Herr' Rumsfeds duties were that day.....Also his duties include the welfare of his 'employeees'....
     
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    If Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld had decided to have some unknown entity shoot a large missile into the pentagon I highly doubt Rumsfeld would have been at his desk that day.
    How can anyone believe the hundreds, maybe thousands of people required to pull off a stunt like a false 911 would stay quiet all this time? Has any one person in such a high position to be involved come forward and admitted to a plausible conspiracy?
     
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    This is the too many people speculation and all this does is to attempt to distract from the facts of this case, we have the alleged 4 hijacked airliners as much as disappear, and given the handling of the evidence, they may as well have not existed at all. We have the impossible flight of the alleged "FLT175" at 590 mph crash into and penetrate the south tower in a manner that makes the aircraft totally vanish, and in fact in either tower gash, can anyone spot any remnant of an airliner at all? Merlin made them disappear ( or?) The crash events at the Pentagon + Shanksville being additional magic in making airliners disappear.

    and then there is the "total collapse was inevitable after collapse initiation .... "
    PROVE IT! the NIST gives us not a word of additional INFORMATION on
    this subject its simply to be taken on blind faith that the NIST is somehow
    right on this subject, however I submit to this forum that the absolutely least
    likely scenario is total collapse of the towers. The alleged airliner crashes
    constituted chaotic damage and the problem is: can chaotic damage trigger
    an event that leads to the "TOTAL COLLAPSE" of the entire structure?
    I think not!
     
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    Reality should never be a distraction. Why do you insist it is? I think we've made some headway now.
    How come every fact that proves your theories implausible cannot be considered yet all your unproven conspiracies must be reality unless proven false which cannot be done because you refuse to consider anything but your own conspiracies?
    See the problem yet?
     
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    That's just complete BULSH. All 4 airliners were seen, tracked and their debris was recovered. ALL the photos and eyewitness testimony PROVE the what everyone saw that day. The "handling of the evidence" was exactly what happens in events like this. There was no deception, just your inability to comprehend what happened that day.

    More BULSH from someone who lacks the emotional skills, common sense, logic and education to understand how it was all possible. Claiming something to be "impossible" means you need to prove it is impossible...you can't because IT IS the reality of what happened that day.

    Lying, misframing physics and an ignorance of facts is not how you go about supporting your position.

    See above.
     
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    Funny thing, If I make an assertion, you then say PROVE IT
    however when the MSM & NIST have made totally unproven assertions
    that is perfectly OK .....

    I stick by my original statement about the too many people comment,
    the number of people that it took to do the job, does not alter the fact
    that it happened the way that it did, and that evidence was handled the
    way that it was, so at this stage of the game, speculation about how many
    people is fruitless.
     
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    First & foremost Donald Rumsfeld was an employee of WE THE PEOPLE,
    and as such, was either simply a token figurehead sort of individual who was really not needed at all that day, or, he had a specific function to fill and that was at a desk or at least within a command center where he would be called upon to make decisions, not in a position someplace on the Pentagon lawn where some low-level minions would have to chase him down to get valuable information or orders as to what is required of the military. Either Donald Rumsfeld had a real job within the Pentagon, or he simply had a token "job" that didn't matter at all, and if that was the case, why was this clown on the payroll at all?
     
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    You can stick by what you wish...your postion is delusional and intellectually dishonest. Eyewitnesses alone, without any other evidence, prove what you believe to be is garbage. None of what you claim is rooted in fact, physics or reality. NONE.
     
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    So you insist on supporting the idea that the MSM & NIST
    can make unfounded assertions and that is just fine, however
    I get demands to PROVE my assertions and even when I provide
    proof, you scoff & say that what I have presented isn't proof at all.

    Eye witnesses are only minimally reliable and to confirm the testimony of witnesses, there needs to be physical evidence presented. where is the physical evidence? what airliner?
     
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    Proof???...you don't provide proof! You assert, without any type of supporting evidence or data. NONE...Personal Incredulity is all you provide.

    There are plenty of photos that show the plane debris...if you weren't dishonest or obtuse, you would admit that.
     
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    Wrong,he was an employee of the president....he picked him and congress approved it.

    NO one voted for him.

    And his concern that day was the people employed under him
     
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    Doesn't matter if nobody voted for him, he was paid out of the public treasury and as such was an employee of we the people.
    You do not seem to care that the office of Secretary of Defense
    is simply a figurehead position and has no real function, because
    if indeed the office carried with it a REAL FUNCTION, Donald Rumsfeld would have been required to do his job on 9/11/2001, the fact that his absence from the command center, did not create a void causing some low level minion to rush out to the Pentagon lawn and ask Rumsfeld to get to his real job, rather than helping out the medics. With that said,
    WHY do we even maintain these figurehead offices, when it is obviously a waste of taxpayer dollars.
     
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    Yes,it DOES matter,he answered to the president...and thanks for going off on a tangent...
     
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    Your claim is as ignorant as it is stupid. The fact that Rumsfeld jumped in and helped out does not mean that he was not doing is real job. First, Sec. of Defense has control of the military and is only second in command to the President. Second, yo have no idea what Rumsfeld did or did not do that day with regard to admin actions he may have taken. Third, once again, you just assert without knowing anything.
     
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    To attempt to put this bit back on track, the fact is that the
    holes shaped like planes in the WTC tower walls is a complete FARCE!
    we are being asked to believe a fairy tale here, a total fabrication.
    WHY are people buying the fraud, when the flight recorders for
    "FLT11" & "FLT175" were never found, because the flights never existed! DUH!

    THINK ..... Before it becomes ILLEGAL!
     
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    You're lying. Debris identified to the planes...for all four planes, was found. No amount of lying, lying or lying...can change that.

    So, if the planes didnt make those impact marks, what did?
     
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    Document the recovery & ID of aircraft parts please........
     
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    A plane went through the outer wall,what shape should they have left?

    And dozens of crashes happened without finding the 'black boxes',are you saying they never happened either?
     
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    Photos exist of the planes at their crash locations. Done. Research it yourself. Too lazy?

    Lastly, FEMA has documented plane debris in their FEMA 403, World Trade Center Building Performance Study (2002)
     
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    RE: FEMA 403

    The PDF file of the report on page 25 and 34 there are pictures
    of what could be airliner wreckage, but are we absolutely certain
    that the stuff shown in the pix, wasn't planted there and really has
    nothing at all to do with "FLT11" or "FLT175" how is anyone to know
    if there hasn't been any detailed analysis of the bits and if any such analysis has been done, where are the results?
     
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