Hong Kong Protests Have a New Target—the Chinese Communist Party

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  1. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    million peaceful protester ok, hundreds violence protest no. the point is the mean justify the end? recent violent protest has much less support from locals. that's the point not the initial cause. get your fact straight. is it ok to beat up ppl? either by police or protester?
     
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  2. Mac-7

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    When you refer to the means justifying the end that is established communist doctrine

    The cops have the guns and tear gas

    The dictatorship turned the peaceful demonstrations into violent protests
     
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    precisely how many time cops use their gun to shot protester after 4 months protest. you think same thing happen in NYC, whats cops reaction would be.
    lol sure whatever. just simple answer, are you ok with ppl beaten someone officer/bystander/vandalism? can officer defend them self if they were surrounded and beaten to a pulp? simple yes or no is fine.
     
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    You overlook the reason for the protests

    The people of Hong Kong do not want to be slaves to the communist dictatorship on mainland china
     
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    I can't speak for all police here in the US, but I would hope the police would put away their guns and pick up a protest sign so they can join in the pro-democracy protests.
     
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    Beaten them up? Hell, they deserve a bullet in the head. What moral soul joins the side of tyranny? Disgusting brutes. (I guess Jack-the-Ripper and Christian Barnard, the surgeon who did the first heart transplant, are moral equals--they both used scalpels.)

    When tyrants use the law to oppress the rights of the individual, the oppressed individuals have the right of self-defense. Or have you forgotten the American Revolution and the Declaration of Independence?
     
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    The protesters in Hong Kong are just pawns on a CIA chessboard. If they die or end up in some dungeon, it will be for nothing.
     
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    This is quite the naive the sentiment.
     
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    I haven't forgotten them. In fact, sometimes I feel like I'm one of the only Americans left who remembers or cares about 1776. Because every time I look around, in my own country, I see nothing but a shadow of 1776. I see crippling taxation and regulation, ruinous levels of debt, mass imprisonment and spying, routine violations of civil liberties by government agents, endless wars that serve no purpose, politicians who lie constantly, and Americans who are governed largely, not by a love of liberty, but a desire for safety and security. Sure, Americans love to cheer for revolutions inside other countries, but when it comes to their own country, they just meekly surrender to the authoritarian impulses of the political class.
     
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    These protests will amount to nothing and are doomed to failure. But the CIA officials and agents encouraging the protests simply do not care. For them, the lives of these protesters are expendable in pursuit of larger geopolitical aims.
     
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    Death is preferable to life under the Chinese state.
     
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    Easy to say when there is no cost to doing so.
     
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    No cost to doing what?

    The Chinese government is miles worse than King George's Britain. They should be flying Gadsden flags.

    If it really is a pointless fight then they will die with honor defending their homeland against tyrants rather than being "disappeared" by those tyrants when it's too late to do anything.

    Seems like a good enough reason to me.
     
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    Maybe so

    But the fact that Hong Kongers who know red china the best are risking their lives in resistance should alert clueless globalists in America to the true nature of china
     
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    It's easy to talk about a glorious death when you aren't the one who has to die.

    Why? What will it accomplish?

    The American revolution was successful. This revolution is doomed to failure. The founders may have seemed like idealists and purists, but they were actually hard-nosed pragmatists. They never would have revolted in the total absence of possible victory.
     
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    Meanwhile, your own government lies to you, spies on you, imprisons and arrests millions for nonviolent offenses, wastes trillions of tax dollars on wars that serve no purpose, taxes and regulates our commercial society into oblivion, and accumulates ruinous levels of debt. But let's worry about China.
     
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    The Hingarian Uprising in 1956 comes to mind

    The soviets crushed it with tanks and many Americans were ashamed that we could do nothing to help

    Though many freedom fighters died eventually freedom prevailed
     
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    Our courts do not have. 99% conviction rate like red china

    We do not harvest the organs of political prisoners

    and we still have free elections even though liberals are trying to criminalize the results when they lose

    America is infinitely better than communist china

    You should try harder to appreciate America instead of always looking for reasons to hate her
     
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    Freedom prevailed because of Reagan's pragmatism and skillful diplomacy, not because of failed revolutions instigated by the CIA.

    Reagan developed a real friendship with Gorbachev and leveraged that into effective diplomacy, all while the swamp creatures accused him of being too soft on communism.

    And Trump is now throwing all of Reagan's great achievements into the trash, breaking his campaign promise to improve our relations with Russia.
     
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    Wow. America is more free than China. Time to celebrate.
     
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    Of the two of us, I'm the only one trying to conserve the principles of America's founding. Meanwhile, you want the US government to reshape the entire world. You're basically a progressive on steroids.
     
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    You have no realistic memory of the reagan years

    The left called reagan a reckless warmonger who was too mean to their marxist friends
     
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    Nonsense

    America is so divided today I doubt if we can ever agree on anything again
     
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    Then the choice is easy, fight for the ideas of John Locke, James Otis, Samuel Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and the cream of the crop, Ayn Rand.

    Ayn Rand: "A dictatorship cannot take hold in America today. This country, as yet, cannot be ruled—but it can explode. It can blow up into the helpless rage and blind violence of a civil war. It cannot be cowed into submission, passivity, malevolence, resignation. It cannot be “pushed around.” Defiance, not obedience, is the American’s answer to overbearing authority. The nation that ran an underground railroad to help human beings escape from slavery, or began drinking on principle in the face of Prohibition, will not say “Yes, sir,” to the enforcers of ration coupons and cereal prices. Not yet.--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/america/12.html

    "Anyone who fights for the future, lives in it today."--https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/208111-anyone-who-fights-for-the-future-lives-in-it-today

    The young revolutionary idealists in Hong Kong are fighting for their future today; they deserve the support of every single mind that values independent thought and the rights of the individual to live life freely.
     
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    And one I hope holds true.
     
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