Hong Kong Protests Have a New Target—the Chinese Communist Party

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  1. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    like previous poster said FDR, Iraq in the 80s, Iran before the revolution, saudi arabia, china in the 70s/80s, the list goes on and on. we partner up with many countries that has very low human right due to national interest. If USSR didn't fall we would still be partner up with china.
     
  2. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If virtue is the good, then Hong Kong must stay free.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Damn. They should use this in the indictment against Trump, and
    Biden, for truely they both have violated every conceivable principle and virtue extolled here. Who wrote this? It is impressive. A tip of the hat.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Depends on what is meant by "partner with". I suggest reading Ehereal's post above. It is very wise about how to deal with other nations.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Simply put, treat all things with reason.
     
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    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    None other than George Washington. And I consider it the most sublime statement of foreign policy principles ever spoken or written.
     
  7. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Still very wise and prudent today.
     
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    BUT, even as Left Wingers stuff themselves on Chinese Cash and Left Wing Organizations suck on Chi-Com ass, Trump Stands up to China.

    Last week, Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey tweeted, "Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong." NBA commissioner Adam Silver quickly forced him to delete it. Morey and Silver offered China one of those "I'm sorry if you were offended" apologies, while Silver insisted he was not apologizing for free speech. That wasn't sufficient for the Chinese, so Rockets stars James Harden and Russell Westbrook muddied the water by announcing, "We apologize. We love China." Further confusing the situation for sports fans, sports empire ESPN expressly forbade any on-air discussion of what was actually happening in Hong Kong, even as they discussed Morey and Silver.

    Money — a multi-billion-dollar constellation involving media, streaming, merchandise, player exchanges, and more — is the driver for the NBA and for ESPN.

    Trump has a stiffer spine, as befits the government of the United States. It has gone straight after what China cares about most: energy, espionage, and the surveillance of its people.

    In September, the administration announced sanctions against Chinese companies still doing business in Iran. Two of the companies, which the U.S. accused of transporting Iranian oil, are linked to the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC). This week, the CNPC announced it has pulled out of a $5-billion natural gas project in Iran, causing major energy and economic ripples for both countries. China has cut its Iranian oil imports by about two thirds, and overall trade fell under $2 billion in July from $3.5 billion in the same month of 2018. The trend is clear.

    This week, the administration sanctioned Chinese companies and government agencies involved in the surveillance of Muslim Uighurs in the West of China and the Hong Kong protesters.

    Sophie Richardson, China director at Human Rights Watch called the move "encouraging. No other administration took a stand like this. Uighurs, and others had family members detained for the last few years, watching a government take steps like this to bring some pressure to bear is very encouraging."

    Huawei, the Chinese tech company, is running low on American semiconductors and other parts for its 5G network, raising questions about its ability to maintain global dominance in telecommunications — and industrial and national security spying. Huawei can substitute its own parts in the network for American parts, but a Huawei operating system would have a tough time competing globally with Google and its popular Gmail and Chrome apps. Huawei chief executive Ren said the U.S. blockade was causing a large drop in Huawei's smartphone sales outside of China.

    The Chinese market is big, and sales inside China are not to be discounted, but prestige and the ability to insert itself into American (or other Western) networks and systems for the purpose of spying and stealing Western technology make for an enormous driver for China. Americans will be inconvenienced by the demise of Huawei in the U.S. market, but the need to stop Chinese intrusion into American telecom systems is paramount.

    Foreign policy is using trade and pressure rather than direct military might, not a bad way to go.
     
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    He’s not standing tall at all, he’s on his hands and knees doing his best to please the asses and dicks of the Chinese.

    The Chinese are smiling as
    Trumps actions have the Kurds dying
    because they now know
    what awaits Hong Kong on the horizon.
    Liberty... screaming, bleeding, crying and dying.

    Good job, Trump, you frigging imbecile.
     
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    You are disgustingly vulgar.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Truth isn’t always sunshine and rainbows, Pollyanna.

    And the fault lies not with the messenger, but with disgusting acts of the actor, Trashy Trump.

    For the record, it’s a pun—I was referring to the nature of their characters, not nature of their anatomy
     
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    Yes, maybe one day when the Hong Kong rioters manage to tear off the mask from Carrie Lam, they will be shocked to see Xi's face staring at them. :xd:
     
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    They were promised a degree of autonomy. Are you opposed to them demanding the rights due them?
     
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  15. a better world

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    I believe Lam has withdrawn the extradition Bill which was the original cause of the protests.
    And yesterday the HK high court ruled the anti-mask legislation unlawful, which I think the police intend to abide by.

    So.… have the protesters achieved the "rights due them", under the promised degree of autonomy?

    Meanwhile any pretence of nonviolent protest has long gone. The few fatalities* so far have been due to mishap or violence on the part of protesters that have killed pro Beijing citizens

    It's possible Xi Jinping has learned the lesson from Tiananmen square. I hope so (though I have doubts...)

    If I was Xi, I would give the thugs among the protesters enough rope, and they will hang themselves - and alienate the general HK population as well. A win-win for Beijing.

    [*Meanwhile, the gun-death count in the US continues on its relentless course; during the time of the riots, far more have died in the US as a result of gun violence].

    And it's nauseating for the West to accuse China of human rights abuses, without considering the poverty related human rights abuses arising from entrenched (systemic) poverty in the West.
     
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    Are not Trump's actions in this case consistent with George Washington's doctrine you are so enamoured with?
     
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    Never thought I would agree with anything you said...

    eg, in 1946 the delegates present at the creation of the UN had a chance to introduce the ideal of an international rules based system - freeing the world from the scourge of war - and had considerable support from representatives of smaller countries.

    But great power rivalry won the day; and since that time as many people have died in wars as were killed in WW2 itself.

    [Plus I read today the 'war against terror' alone has cost the US over $5 trillion, and ongoing...]

    Indeed.
     

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