Hong Kong! Remember Tiananmen Square!

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  1. Mac-7

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    It started over a proposed law that allowed Hong Kong citizens to be sent to china for trial

    Where the courts have a 99% conviction rate
     
  2. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the SOB won't get the fk out of the way, within reason, yes. Smack them upside the head. It's a revolution, not a bridal shower.

    In other words, only to get their attention, not for the joy of brutality.
     
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    Man suspected of assaulting Global Times reporter at Hong Kong airport denied bail
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    Mr Fu Guohao, the reporter for the Beijing-based newspaper, was tied up with both hands held behind his head on a luggage trolley by a group of masked protesters and then assaulted on Aug 13.PHOTO: REUTERS

    HONG KONG (CHINA DAILY/ASIA NEWS NETWORK) - A 19-year-old man appeared in the Eastern Magistrates' Court in Hong Kong on Monday (Aug 19) for reportedly beating up and assaulting a Global Times reporter at the Hong Kong International Airport amid a mass sit-in that hamstringed the airport completely for two days.

    The suspect Lai Yun-long, accused of unlawful assembly, assault and causing bodily harm, was denied bail.

    No plea was entered on Monday. The case was adjourned to Oct 28 to provide police more time to investigate CCTV footage to ascertain whether other people were involved as well.

    Despite wearing a reflective press vest, Mr Fu Guohao, the reporter for the Beijing-based newspaper, was tied up with both hands held behind his head on a luggage trolley by a group of masked protesters and then assaulted for about an hour, when covering a protest at the city's aviation hubin the evening of Aug 13.

    Mr Fu was later taken to hospital for treatment and was discharged last Wednesday.

    Lai, a hotel waiter, argued that he did that because he suspected Mr Fu was an undercover agent. Rejecting the defendant's claim, the magistrate said it doesn't justify his alleged assault on Mr Fu.

    According to the prosecutor, the defendant was also suspected of assaulting a police officer during a violent clash at a shopping mall - New Town Plaza - in Sha Tin on July 14. The violent clash saw a police officer's fingertip being bitten off by a radical.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/e...mes-reporter-at-hong-kong-airport-denied-bail
     
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    when did it become revolution, I thought you said it was peaceful protest ? anyway, by supporting beating/killing of bystanders, you are no different then the CCP you criticized. guess your true color is showing.
     
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    Funny that he demonizes the Chinese authorities for things they haven't even done, yet not a peep about the French maiming and injuring the Yellow Vest protesters.
     
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    China will not tolerate another Formosa, HK will come to heel at some point, world opinion notwithstanding. Nobody is going to war with China over it.
     
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    I don't think so. When you can mobilize a quarter of your population, you're going to be very difficult to bring to heel.
     
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    It's Communist China. How many did Mao sacrifice?
     
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    This isn't the 1950s or 60s anymore. Especially in China.
     
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    From Moon of Alabama:

    (Report from New York Times)
    Organizers estimated at least 1.7 million people had turned out — nearly one in four of the total population of more than seven million — making it the second-largest march of the movement, after a protest by nearly two million on June 16.

    The Hong Kong police released a far lower crowd estimate, saying there were 128,000 protesters in Victoria Park during the peak period.


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    So what is it? 128,000 or the 13 times bigger 1.7 million? With the mood set in the first paragraphs the Times is clearly promoting the larger estimate.

    But that estimate is definitely false. (As was my own early estimate of 15-20,000 based on early pictures of the event.) It is impossible that 1.7 million people took part in the gathering and march. There is no way that the 1.7 million people would physically fit in or near the protest venue.

    This is well known. On Saturday the Wall Street Journal (quoted here) wrote:

    The police on Thursday approved a Sunday protest at Victoria Park. But they denied a permit for a 2.3-mile march to Chater Road in Hong Kong’s Central district.
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    The problem is that Victoria Park can accommodate only 100,000 or so people, according to police estimates.

    Victoria Park has two places where people crowds can assemble.

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    The one below the red marker is the field in question. It is 80 x 360 meter, 28.800 square meter. At a high density of 4 people per square meter the field can hold a maximum of 115.000 people. On Sunday there was some overflow onto the upper green field but the density was much lower than 4 persons per square meter. It was raining and nearly everyone carried an umbrella. That is not possible in a high density standing or moving crowd.

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    Pictures of large crowds tend to deceive. The density often seem higher than it is. The two below made by Prof Keith Still with a 3D crowd visualizer show 2 people per square meter.

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    The South China Morning Post posted video (scroll down) of the crowd and the following march and the average density appears to be even lower than 2.

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    The police estimate of 128,000 protesters seems realistic, if not too high. The organizer's estimate of 1.7 million is bollocks.
     
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    Maybe so

    But its never wrong for free people to fight to keep their freedom

    Maybe the sacrifice of the freedom fighters will wake up some of the globalist free traders in the western nations to the danger china represents
     
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    I never claimed it was protest nor non-violent. I warned them to get out.
    He used to be listed as the world’s greatest mass murderer at 60 million plus.
     
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    That not all the truth. The law allowed HK inhabitants convicted by HK court to be transfferred to chinese jails. Not a single convict so far was a subject to this procedure. The main reason in the beginning was that this law would allow China to convict opposition and steal them from HK to continental China... Then chinese authorities made an ammedment that political convicts will not be a subject for this law. But the 'peaceful protesters' continue to fight for 'freedom of speech'. Why? Because China hasn't given up to trade agreement! :)))
    As for the freedom of speech these stupid chinese autorities should have made secret jails copying the ones in Guantanamo or Abu-Grabe. That would save freedom of speech, democracy and the young fighters in that case would stay home. :)))
    And now what would you do in the place of chinese communists? How low would you go trying to please the crowd which is definetely controlled by your enemy?
     
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    I was asking about the motive, the reason. You obviously don't know it.
    As for brutality - all the governments of all the times make brutal decisions.
     
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    All China has to do is announce to the World, and Hong Kong, we will adhere to the 2047 agreement, one nation, two autonomous governments.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting solution, To save free speech, imprison those speaking freely. Sounds like a Trump truism.
     
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    You seem to be hinting thst you know a different motive than a desire for freedom and fear of a brutal inhuman communist dictatorship

    If so why dont you tell us what you think it is?
     
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    Decolonization is a fact that the West needs to put up with. Hong Kong is China. And the policy there is different: 'One country - two systems'. Separatism will not bring anything but war, losses ans humiliation. Besides, your option doesn't do anything with the 'problem' of free speech, which you told was the issue. It's like you have a quarrel with your wife and I tell that you need give me your daughter and half of your house... It might be good for me (provided your daughter and house is worth of it), but certainly doesn't do any good to you. :)
     
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    Firstly it was an irony. Secondly I just followed the pattern of the most democratic country in the world. It hasn't had any problems with free speech. Especially when it got J.Assange not from an american state, but from an embassy of a different state in the territory of the third state. The US can afford these issues without any peaceful protesters demanding separatism as a solution. But China for some reason cannot do 10% of the same. :)
     
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    This is an attempt of the USA to fix its problem with a growing debt at the expense of Chinese economy. This is a blackmail and color revolution. This is exactly what it is.
     
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    Thats a damn lie by the mainland communists and paranoia by you for believing the lie

    Do you think the US can just snap its fingers and summon millions of Hong Kong citizens to the streets in protest?

    I dont
     
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    It would be nice to hear some arguments.

    First of all - not millions. This is an old lie to call an 80.000 crowd - a 10 mln crowd. All the US has to do is to control the media it already has in control. So basically it costs nothing.
    Secondly it's not as easy to summon the people and keep them in the streets. You need to feed the protesters with the right information cutting off the information which can make them to change their minds. E.g. 200 000 twitter accounts which were against the protests were banned. This requires a strategy and some work. The regular media is also a part of the scenery. Every protester lives in the world created by them and is a part of this imaginary reality. This is a tough business and the people involved had to train hard before getting such a project.

    So basically, it's not that easy, but things you are amazed with are very cheap.

    If you have better arguments why it IS impossible - try to come up with it. But make sure that I remember everything happened in Libya, Siria, the USSR and countries of eastern europe etc. I was even watching how the side which lost the elections used the same tool against its own society and the winner-president. So far they haven't chosen the bloodiest scenario..., so far not. It still expects americans.
     
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    What Twitter accounts are you talking about?

    Twitter is banned in communist china
     
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    If the CPC restricts free speech in China, and it then imposes this doctrine upon Hong Kong, then Hong Kong no longer has free speech. The root cause, therefore, is the government of China, a tyranny. The only rational solution to this problem is revolting from the Chinese government.

    The revolution is on. It will fail. Bodies will pile up. Get out now.
     

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