HOUSE APPROVES BILL TO FORCE PUBLIC RELEASE OF EPA SCIENCE

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  1. way2convey

    way2convey Well-Known Member

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    WASHINGTON (AP) -- House Republicans are taking aim at the Environmental Protection Agency, targeting the way officials use science to develop new regulations.

    A bill approved Wednesday by the GOP-controlled House would require that data used to support new regulations to protect human health and the environment be released to the public.

    Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said "the days of 'trust me' science are over," adding that the House bill would restore confidence in the EPA's decision-making process.
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-03-29-17-56-41


    It's about frikkin time. No reason America should be burdened by Reg's handed down by this un-elected agency without seeing the exact data the agency used to reach their conclusions, especially because their Reg's are, in terms of compliance, often extreme in their nature.
    No logical reason the American people should be expected to just "take their word for it" as they churn out reg after reg under the assumption they're reasoning are beyond reproach.
     
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    And what if they're right?
     
  3. Zorro

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    The fact that it takes legislation to drag the "science" they claim they are using, doesn't speak well for that outcome.
     
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    WTF? They were hiding the "science" behind their regulations?

    California did a huge clean air regulation some years back based on a guys findings that had no credentials. It turned out to be a total fraud, but guess what... the regulations where never stopped. This is how Progressives roll. They will force things at any cost!

    http://calwatchdog.com/2012/11/05/carb-scandal-also-shames-california-media/
     
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    Lord forbid the public be informed.....that is practically unamerican right there.
     
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    First....you didn't answer the question. Second, you think they were "hiding" the science? You don't think it would be given to Congress if they asked......and have probably already seen.
     
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    Indubitably, this is a hard fixed fact of recent history and I'm sure we agree, completely unacceptable. Trump's job of cleaning up fetid swamp that this sea of Agencies and regulators, who churn out countless felonies by the way, is not unlike when Hercules was instructed to clean the Augean stables.

    EPA’s McCarthy Defends Hiding Secret Science from Public

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    This lady was power made, out of her mind, and off her rocker. Thankfully Trump shoo'd her safely away from this position she held, where she could really do serious harm to hardworking Americans.

    The particular debate stems around access to data on the health effects of fine particulate matter (PM2.5) on humans, but this is the practice of this wildly out of control agency, staffed with previously unaccountable, though power hungry, cobnuts. While EPA and researchers have blocked public access to the data, the agency has used it to justify nearly all (98%) of the benefits of EPA air regulations between 2002 and 2012.

    EPA critics want is public access to the data in order to scrutinize, verify, and reproduce the conclusions.

    For instance, William Kovacs notes a major problem with the data:

    The studies used to support the 1997 PM2.5 standard have never been independently reproduced or validated, and EPA has successfully resisted all attempts – including a 2000 Freedom of Information Act request from the U.S. Chamber – to obtain the data underlying the studies upon which EPA based its standards.

    Nevertheless, in her speech to the Academy, McCarthy reaffirmed her agency's refusal to make the data available to public scrutiny.

    Science is an iterative process. It builds on previous work and assumes that no one has all the answers. EPA shouldn’t be afraid to open the data to public inspection.

    This is especially important when regulators use this data to impose tremendous costs on the economy—especially in electricity generation--keep jobs from being created, and hold back investments. The public should be able to see the data and not merely take the word of a federal agency.

    Despite McCarthy's claim that EPA critics are attacking science itself, by advocating for openness and transparency we’re defending the scientific process that’s delivered progress to humanity for centuries.

    “When we follow the science -- we all win,” McCarthy told the audience, and she’s right. However, that requires that the data be open so the public can examine it.

    [via memeorandum]


     
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    Good, we should see their science. And if it is true, then people should shut the **** up about it. If not, then scrap it.

    This is a WIN for America.
     
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    Sick: EPA Conducted Experiments on Humans in Concocting Fake AGW Evidence@!
     
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    Please inform the rest of us why you feel it necessary for our government to hid the data from the people? There is no logical argument for doing that.
     
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    You honestly think Congress has the time or acumen to assess every crazy new EPA regulation passed by those people? Let the sun shine on that dog's ass, qualified people will be looking at it and reporting abuses and fallacies.
     
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    It'll probably increase the overhead of running the EPA, but overall I really don't see a problem with this bill.
     
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    Good Post ! People are generally not aware how political these regulations often are and how much "bad science" and statistical fallacy often goes into these regulations.

    I worked in the environmental engineering sector for over a decade. Some of the regulations are good but others are just ways to create more paper to enhance an already bloated bureaucracy. Others just ways to keep the little guy from competing - bastardizing fair and free markets.

    Every time a new regulation is made the Oligopolies have a seat at the table (and perhaps they have a right to be there). The problem is that the person who is supposed to be representing "we the people" is either in the pocket of, or influenced by, the Oligopoly or some nefarious political pressure.
     
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    This is nonsense. Why would they hide the science if they did not have something to hide ? How are "we the people" to exercise authority over Gov't if we do not have the data.

    Congress is a cesspool of self interest and greed. Why would "we the people" completely cede our rights and freedoms to such a body and forgo any oversight ?

    Of course the Gov't hides or obscures science - what else do you call not releasing the science to the public. In some cases, such as when the DOE was coerced into suppressing their findings on the "aluminum tubes" that Saddam had been purchasing, the Gov't is up to nefarious things.

    The actions of the Gov't - based on a false narrative supported by coercive suppression of science - in the case of the Iraq war ended up costing YOU/"we the people" trillions of dollars.

    Either you just do not understand the issue or you have a very unrealistic and overzealous trust in Gov't.
     
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    They probably learned their lesson. One of the last times the EPA released raw data was in their 2nd-hand smoke study in the mid 90s, IIRC. The federal district court came within a hair of holding the EPA in contempt of court for egregiously and without standards misrepresenting the data
     
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    Every day is like a new window into the failures and corruption of the Obama administration. I shudder to think just how bad it really is...
     
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    Excellent Point. They are lying progressive scum willing to falsify "science" to implement their crazed hairbrained extremist agenda!

    And they are screw ups:
    http://www.industrytap.com/wp-conte...ver-and-people-are-furious-e1453223343544.jpg

    What a difference and election makes!

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    This is the kind of carp that frosts most thinking citizens.
    That "data" was paid for by the taxpayers. It belongs to them. As long as there are no security concerns, publish the data. It's public domain.
    End of story.
     
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    YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT!

    And these folks are crazed bitterly partisan "zero growther" nutcases!

    EPA Alcoholism Rising Because of Trump.
     
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    Insane!

    THE GOVERNMENT’S OWN CYANIDE TRAPS: Government bans cyanide traps in Idaho after boy hurt.

    The U.S. Department of Agriculture announced Monday that it had halted all use of the traps on state, federal and private land in Idaho in response to a petition from 19 conservation and wildlife groups.

    The spring-activated devices called M-44s look like water sprinkler heads and are imbedded in the ground.

    They spray cyanide powder when triggered by animals.

    The boy was hurt and his Labrador retriever died in March on federally-owned land near the boy’s house in Pocatello.
     
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    The EPA was warned in a lengthy article by a top geologist a week or two before this catastrophe that what they were doing was not sustainable and extremely risky. The EPA ignored it.
     
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    What do you think costs more, sending a PDF to someone who makes a request, or years of fighting FOIA lawsuits all the way up the courts?
     
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    You haven't been keeping up with the progressive rules, have you?
     
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    Sure, they figured they were smarter than everyone else. This guys are first rate idiots. Their stupidity is only exceeded by their arrogance.
     
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    Sure, they figured they were smarter than everyone else. This guys are first rate idiots. Their stupidity is only exceeded by their arrogance.
     
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