House fails to override Trump veto on border wall

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  1. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    You don't know? Or have you never heard of such a thing? Need examples? I can provide both real world examples and conservative posts from this very forum if you wish...
     
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    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    Nazis were not socialists. The actual socialists and communists were the first to go to concentration camps. Hitler hated actual socialists even more than Jews and went after them first.

    Revisionist history is not your friend.

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



    Those words and their order were not written at random...
     
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    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    I don't visit platforms that tolerate it and feel no urge to do so. If any such postings were made here, you presumably reported them.
     
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    Then it should be easy for you to answer my question: "How are Nazis different from other socialists?"

    Why couldn't you just do that?
     
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    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    Because you started with the very mistaken assertion that Nazis were socialists - "How are Nazis different from other socialists?"

    They weren't socialists. Fascists are fascist. Socialists are socialist. Completely different terms for completely different ideologies. One is left wing, one is very right wing. If you're trying to equate the two, you are too far off the mark to rationally discuss the subject. Educate yourself. Then we'll talk.

    Here is a starting point, however:

    Communism is to socialism as fascism is to capitalism.

    Understand that, and we'll have a basis to discuss your poorly phrased question. Once you do understand that, though, you won't need to ask...
     
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    Hint: The NS in NSDAP stood for "National Socialist".

    "Between his assumption of power in 1933 and the Soviet-Nazi Pact of 1939, Germany and the Soviet Union were, or pretended to be, on the worst of possible terms. They assailed each other with abusive material stressing the ideological incompatibility of Communism and National Socialism, while studiously ignoring the obvious similarities between the two systems...." Ronald Hingley, "Joseph Stalin" p. 292.
     
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    Yes - and the D,P, and R in DPRK stands for Democratic People's Republic (of North Korea). So Lil Kim's paradise is democratic, a republic and ruled by the people, isn't it? After all - IT'S IN THE NAME.

    Try again.

    https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
     
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    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    Totalitarian Communism in the USSR and totalitarian Nazism were indeed different, even though human rights were non-existent in both; there were privately owned companies in Nazi Germany, like Messerschmitt, Krupp, and Daimler Benz. They made profits (remember Oskar Schindler) and stayed private throughout the war . Pretty sure every company in Russia was nationalized and controlled out of Moscow, ut I can't see that there was much industrialization in Russia before the revolution.

    I guess if you're being shot for criticizing the regime it doesn't matter much, but shot you were in both places, which is why the analogies between Hitler and Trump are so disgustingly ignorant and unfair. Not to mention that both Fascism in Italy and Nazism were expansionist. Trump is an isolationist, relatively speaking. He wants our military out of the Middle East, and thankfully has no designs on territory in Canada or Mexico. Hitler would invade north and south of the border.
     
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    The base of the NSDAP were socialist in ideology. They presented themselves as such and implemented many of socialism main program like free national healthcare, agrarian refoms and national work programs. They bought the mases support with freebies and dreams. But like all socialist experiment on earth, the leadership turned into despotic authoritarian dictators once they've finished consolidating power.

    the fact that they sent member of other socialist party to Dachau doesn't make them less socialist. Lenin and Stalin did the same and also started as socialist. Socialism is only a stepping stone, not a final form of government. All socialist experiment ended up transitioning to either communist or fascist dictature since it concentrates power into a non representative elite.
     
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    Trump winning and America losing. Selling out America seems the goal.
     
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    There are two Americas today.

    MAGA America.

    Obama's America aka hate America.
     
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    Phyxius, the D in NSDAP doe not stand for "Democratic".

    Try again. ;-)
     
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    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    Weak. Dodge the point, because you can't debate it. Your surrender is noted.
     
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    I asked you: "How are Nazis different from other socialists?"
    Why couldn't you answer?

    Perhaps this will be even easier for you: Please list a few things that you think prove Nazis are not socialists.
     
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    Aren't you aware that Trump is a draft dodging coward?
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So am I.

    I avoided the draft, no way was the Army was going to get my ass, so I volunteered and gave the Marine Corps my ass.

    So that makes me a draft dodger.
     
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