House Passes Gun "control" Bills

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  1. JET3534

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    Source of your stats?
     
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    And I noticed your government rounded you up like cattle and put you into prison camps. They got away with it because the fight has been bred out of you. They just up and did it because there was no threat to themselves. They made their point: At the end of the day “you are livestock”.
     
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    I don't have any fantasies of fighting a guerilla war. But I do understand the meaning of this quote. From a book that is not on the liberal reading list.

    And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.

    Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
     
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    Your country is totally different in population, demographics, geography, and history. You say you live in a rural area. I am thinking that your government does not allow Illegal alliens to swarm across your rural property such as happens in America. Well, obviously not since you are an island. So aside from watching a rerun of a Steve Irwin show, why would any American care how things are done in Australia?
     
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    Your 80% stat, at best applies to the great unwashed. I don't make my personal risk assesment decisions based on this sort of liberal statistic. And neither do the armed bodyguards of people like Soros and Bloomberg. I have owned a gun for my entire adult life. So far, I have not killed myself. How do you suppose that is possible?
     
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    Kent State mass shootings by the State National Guard. And how has the military evolved since the 18th century other than using modern weapons? Is the 2A intended to ensure the government is able to arm itself to protect itself from the citizens? Was the 1st amendment intended to give the government free speech? And the 4th to give the government the right to privacy? Do you see how your explanation of the 2A does not fit in with the rest?
    Remembering the Kent State massacre. Don't rebel against what your government is doing or you will you shot down by the "well regulated militia."

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    How is it possible? Same reason I have own a rifle for most of my life and not killed myself.
    But many do - it's the accident waiting to happen, or the ready 'go to' when you are feeling sad or angry.
    I am not 'liberal' - quite the opposite. I am invited out often on 'spot lighting' and I love guns. I just don't feel safe with every man and his dog having a hand gun or an AR15 - what on earth would you want those two for? They are for shooting humans.

    As for statistics. The fact that the gun lobby in America has stopped government funded research on gun deaths says it all - there's something to hide.
     
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    Hispanics just walking into your country is a big deal. But I am not sure if there's a connection between them and gun deaths. A lot of them are quite afraid of guns. We were checking out a trunk load of guns in Grapevine, Dallas Texas some years back and the neighbors were all Mexicans - peering out of their windows. I asked my uncle would any of them call the police and he said he didn't care - he's licenced. Maybe these 'new Americans' thought white Americans were crazy gun nutters?
     
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    There are about 90 nations considered democratic in the world. We are one. Not sure if we are more or less 'free' than America - depends on what subject we talk about.
    But yeah, we had prison camps for illegal immigrants. Other poster here reckons Americans want guns to protect themselves from illegal immigrants - can't win, can I ?

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    The implied treat of an armed population cools the jets of over eager legal eagles. We are a different population with a different mind set than Aussies.
     
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    They say Six Million Jews were murdered by the Nazis. Now if one tenth of those people had fought back and killed say a German soldier for every two Jews who resisted, that would have been 300,000 less Nazis fighting the allies. A significant difference
     
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    A call it the rattlesnake scenario. If I am in a room with a rattlesnake, I have two options. I can let it be. Or I can kill it. at 230 or so pounds I can kill any rattlesnake by merely jumping on it and stomping it. But I may well get bitten. I might survive, I might not, The snake will surely die. But is it worth that to me to risk a bite that may kill me and will certainly hurt me?
     
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    nonsense/: the CDC is not competent to research this topic. The FBI does constantly. The CDC's economists want to defame gun ownership with bogus studies.
     
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    At what point will six million Americans be killed by guns in domestic setting? Take a while, at about 40-45,000 dead a year, but you will eventually get there. About 1.5 million since I was born.
    But if some nefarious government wants to fight gun owners it will be a case of them not so much using guns but A10's, F35's, drones, howitzers and nukes.
     
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    Is that why so many children have to die?
     
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    you don't know much about asymmetrical warfare or the fact that a rogue government will not be able to use most of its armament against mixed populations. And let's stop the charade. Almost every anti gun poster is anti gun because of their political orientation. True, lots of anti gun voters actually believe the bs that gun control is actually intended to decrease crime. But political junkies who post on boards such as this, gun control is a political weapon that the left uses against people the left perceives as being their political enemies
     
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    I am not liberal. I blame a lot of woke in my country on the American left. I have hated the left since the Vietnam War. I was in the army myself.
    But the fact that some angry 18 year old can walk into a gun shop, buy an AR15 style weapon and ten thousand rounds, no questions asked, terrifies me. It terrifies me too when I go to buy gas in American stores and see guns for sale in the gas station.
    I am amazed that only 120,000 people are shot a year in America - I would expect a million.
     
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    you know that is not true. the person buying an AR 15 in a gun shop has to fill out form 4473 and answer over a dozen questions., show an ID undergo a background check. How can I take your comments seriously when you tell such obviously incorrect things?
     
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    Well, here is the problem. One of the last shoot ups was that hospital one - I read that the shooter just purchased an AR15 and within one hour had shot a doctor and 'anyone else that gets in my way' he wrote.
     
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    he had a clean record. I don't know if he had any disqualifying characteristics before that. But every day, dozens of people buy similar rifles and never harm anyone.
     
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    Sure, many innocent people with guns never used in anger. That's not the issue. But when you have 400,000,000 guns the CHANCES of getting hurt go up.
    15 years jail max in the UK for carrying a hand gun leads to a lot less guns (you still have the 'right' to own a gun BTW) and many police are NOT even armed. I like that. I reckon most Americans would too.
     
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    you want to put someone in Jail for merely possessing a handgun which in itself harms no one. I have a better Idea-lets hammer those who harm others
     
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    I added a 'not' to the armed police.
    Yes, 15 is the max for possessing an unlicense hand gun, there's a lot of context here - and the issue is the background or intent of the person possessing it.
    So if you want to burgle a house you don't carry a guy 'cos the penalty for the burgulary could be six months, the gun might be fifteen years.
    So gun deaths are way down, now like Japan, Australia and New Zealand.
    I understand there are more guns in Australia now than ever - but no assault weapons or hand guns, or gas station Saturday night specials. That's the difference.
     
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    no handguns in Australia? really?
     

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