How can non-citizens register to vote, let alone vote?

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the Constitution gives Congress the authority to levy taxes in order to fund programs that contribute to the general welfare and common good.

    the 16th Amendment to the Constitution gives Congress the specific authority to levy income taxes.

    26 US Code 6012 states who is required to file an income tax return with the IRS

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6012
     
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    All of that is addressed in the material I cited... and I won't let you or anybody else bully me. I'm not going to reinvent the wheel. Do whatever it takes to make you happy, but the following link refutes your posts:

     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    folks may not like paying income taxes, but the laws are in the USC and the Constitution gives Congress the authority to levy taxes.
     
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    For probably twenty years my father did not pay an income tax. When he died, his more than million dollar estate was divided among the people that he designated in his will.

    You are entitled to your opinion, sir - albeit as wrong as it is.

     
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    the 16th Amendment was legally ratified.
     
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    No, it was not... and even if it were, it has been misapplied - that even according to those who enforce the law:



    I know you love to argue, but you are wrong and I'm content to allow other posters to see both sides of the argument. How much of your life do you want to invest in this back and forth?
     
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    I now know for a fact that there are laws in the US Code spelling out who must pay the Federal income tax. And who must submit an income tax form.

    I have known for many years that the Constitution requires it.

    Not sure why we even needed the 16th Amendment cause the 1787 Constitution allows Congress to levy taxes.
     
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    Tell that to Al Sharpton.
     
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    what's his number?
     
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    >>>MOD EDIT Quote Post Removed<<<

    Since I was heavily involved with the issue, those videos represent my own experiences as well as what others with that same experience have said. Many of the people on those videos spoke at the meetings I sponsored in the 1980s and 1990s.

    If you can't watch the videos, you don't have the requisite background to debate the topic. Do your own research. >>>MOD EDIT Off Topic Removed<<<
     
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    you have nothing to do with these Youtube videos.

    I have done my own research, Ive read the arguments.

    there are laws requiring us to pay income taxes.

    there are laws requiring us to file tax returns.

    the USA was requiring income taxes LONG before the 16th Amendment.

    the 16th Amendment didn't make the Federal income tax legal, as it was ALREADY legal.

    what the 16th did do, is state that the revenue from the income tax did not have to be distributed evenly among the states or population.
     
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    Yes, I have "something" to do with the subject. I don't appreciate being called a liar, but what the Hell, as long as you can get away with it, why not???

    You are wrong.
     
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    how about you prove me wrong with your own words.

    and not a silly Youtube video thats 15 years old

    btw, do you claim to be one of these persons?


    Directed by Aaron Russo
    Produced by Aaron Russo
    Richard Whitley
    Written by Aaron Russo
    Starring Katherine Albrecht
    Joe Banister
    Dave Champion
    Vernice Kuglin
    Rep. Ron Paul
    Aaron Russo
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    You are bucking for being the most dishonest person on this board. I was on the legal team of some of the cases referenced. You were told that. Now, Dude, are you watching the video because you can't find anything that discredits what I say?
     
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    I have not once called you a liar.

    now, care to tell us why you believe the Federal income tax is illegal and that there is no law requiring us to file income tax returns and no law requiring us to pay income taxes?

    or are we done here?
     
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    Should be a prisoner number. If you can't find that, look in front of any camera supporting his racism.
     
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    You started the preconditions by saying you would not consider the videos. They are best evidence.

    I'[m not interested in ANYTHING you have to say. You are going to keep getting the same answer. I don't want to communicate with you; don't want to discuss anything with you; don't care to debate you. I just want you to go away and leave me alone.
     
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    you posted videos as your argument, and i stated that i wanted to discuss the issue and not watch videos.

    you require me to watch your video before you will discuss the issue with me.

    sorry, but Im hear to discuss, not watch videos.
     
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    That is your prerogative. The video would save lots to bandwidth; provide you with facts directly from the horse's mouth so to speak.

    You started the preconditions by saying you would not consider the videos. They are best evidence.

    I'[m not interested in ANYTHING you have to say. You are going to keep getting the same answer. I don't want to communicate with you; don't want to discuss anything with you; don't care to debate you. I just want you to go away and leave me alone.
     
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    That is a youtube video. No court has ever ruled in your favor regarding the 16th amendment, because amendments to the constitution, are ****ing constitutional.
     
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    Yet thousands have exited the system and don't pay taxes. No such law.

    BTW, when I worked on the initial Cheek decision, we did win the case. Sorry that you are wrong. It's my position that the Amendment itself is illegal; however most cases that were won are because the courts lacked jurisdiction.
     
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    No they haven't. You've been given the US code showing you who is required to pay income taxes, and who is required to file Tax returns. If someone doesn't pay income taxes, or file a return, they are breaking US law, and are subject to penalties.

    no court has ever agreed with you regarding the 16th amendment. Not a single one. It's not possible for an Amendment to be illegal. They literally CHANGE the constitution. An amendment could be passed and ratified tomorrow which made it legal to imprison any person who publically says the word "blue", and it would be perfectly constitutional.
     
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    I'm not asking you to. I'm asking you to present your legal argument, and cite a single court case that has ruled in your favor.
    which, have been thoroughly refuted. You've been given the US statutes, and the 16th amendment itself. You need to present a legal argument refuting them, and provide the court ruling which shows your argument true.
    Every employed person is required, by Federal law, to provide their SSN to their employer, for Federal withholdings.
    Every working person is required to provide their SSN, and to pay income/FICA taxes and file a return.
     
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    Thread Closed. Thread has become nothing more than a back and forth troll fest.

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