How Can We Prevent Societal Rifts From Expanding into Violence

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  1. Carl Von Clausewitz

    Carl Von Clausewitz Well-Known Member

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    It's going to spiral out of control anyways and I don't see anything at all stopping that.
     
  2. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Not even gonna try to stop it?
    Just going to let it happen?

    -Meta
     
  3. Carl Von Clausewitz

    Carl Von Clausewitz Well-Known Member

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    There's no stopping the inevitable and it has nothing to do with letting it happen, it will simply happen anyways regardless of people's feelings.
     
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  4. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    If you're simply trying to say that there's no way to stop all violence everywhere then I agree.
    But surely there are things we can do to reduce/prevent at least some of it, wouldn't you agree?

    -Meta
     
  5. Carl Von Clausewitz

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    In this environment, not really.
     
  6. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Certainly, if no one tries to stop the violence, then violence will continue.
    Therefore, if we want the violence to stop, we should make the attempt to come up with ways to stop it.

    -Meta
     
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    Clearly present the willingness and capacity to respond to that violence in like and kind.
     
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  8. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Aren't you a conservative?
    And ban them from what/where exactly?
    And how exactly would banning them, liberals, or anyone else prevent violence in our streets?

    -Meta
     
  9. Carl Von Clausewitz

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    Not going to happen, but by all means don't let me stop you in your martyrdom.
     
  10. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Martyrdom?

    I'm not planning on killing myself y'know.

    -Meta
     
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    When they come for you kick them in the gonads or the hyoid.
     
  12. Carl Von Clausewitz

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    That's nice.
     
  13. Belch

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    The violence we're seeing, and will continue to escalate is the result of a lack of common values. When one side becomes militant, that forces the other side to become militant. It's just like an arms race. The proud boys are a reaction to antifa. Conservatives are a reaction fo Progressives. Violence is a reaction to violence.
     
  14. US Conservative

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    Well said.
     
  15. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree, thats a well studied phenomenon.

    What we need to do is open communication-and with one side actively presenting a skewed representation of the other through the MSM, Academia, etc while simultaneously silencing opposing viewpoints-things will get worse in response-NOT better.
     
  16. Belch

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    That's impossible. Diplomacy only works if there is a common language to work with. We aren't even talking the same language now. When one side uses the words fascist, racist, mob, natural rights, nazi, or even female, and the other side just says "no, that's not what that word means" then the time for talking is over.

    Hell, I woke up this morning hearing about how the left thinks that having .01% of Mexican DNA means that Warren is a native American!!!

    There's no talking with these people.
     
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    I wasn't referring to diplomacy.

    I was referring to open access to information.

    You may have noticed, the media is trying to limit open access to spin narratives.

    Put all of the info out, and let people decide.

    Instead of controlling what they see, and pounding people with narratives.
     
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  18. Belch

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    The media is not limited. We still have the first amendment, and there are many ways to get access to information that don't involve Don Lemon.
     
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    How about try not to lead to societal rifts in the first place?

    An ounce of prevention...

    If only the people had the foresight. But unfortunately it's usually always a knee-jerk reaction at the last moment after it's already far too late.
     
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  20. Meta777

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    The internet... makes distance irrelevant as it relates to most of the stuff Russia is doing.

    As for the in-person stuff, we already have proof that we've been penetrated by Russian agents.
    Dozens of Russian agents operating within the U.S. have been caught in the act over the past few years.
    Our intelligence agencies apparently suspect at least 150 others of secretly working for the Russian government from within the U.S.

    And certainly, you must have heard of the recent Maria Butina indictment? I was under the impression that was a pretty high profile case. She and others have been hanging out in the U.S. for years. Given that, who's to say exactly just how many more Russian agents may be lurking around in addition to the 150 our intelligence already suspects... And note, it isn't as if Russia needs an army of agents over here in order to incite violence. It only takes a small handful of individuals blending in with some protest somewhere for trouble to start. And as I've mentioned before, the main m.o. of these Russian instigators is that they will attempt to get extremist natives to do most of the work for them, so again, it doesn't take that many infiltrators for trouble to start.

    And with that, basic modern-day commercial airliners makes it fairly simple for them to get here... wouldn't you agree?

    Russia steps up spying efforts after election
    The Russian spies living next door


    What do you mean by this??

    That seems pretty reasonable. I will be sure to add this suggestion to the list.

    -Meta
     
  21. opion8d

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    Historically, one would prefer one political party over another or others and that would be that. A statement like, "I'm a Republican or Democrat." would elicit a "My party is better than yours" response. No more. It's insufficient to love your party, you must hate the other one.

    Destructive politics entered the scene c. 1988. The strategy was first adopted by Republicans under the leadership of Newt Gingrich. In a few years, the Democrats joined in. Now, according to a friend of mine, a conservative Congressman from Texas, "these guys (both parties) won't even ride in the same elevator together." There is an ideological hatefest going on in Washington and it has spilled out onto the streets.

    It has infected the workplace, the schools, the church, the courts, and finally, the family. This transpired during Vietnam, a war most on this board are too young to remember. We had real violence and killing on the streets of America and the jungles of Vietnam. The upheaval lasted a decade and eventually ran out of steam from sheer exhaustion. During Nam, the "disgusting hippies" being gunned down, assassinations, bombings, college shootings by the Guard, 58,000 American soldiers killed, was a lot more than Americans bargained for.

    Sadly, this current situation gives every sign of going the same way. The extreme right and left hate each other. This forum illustrates that. Before this ends, they will end up in the streets as the rest of us stand, horrified on the curb. This won't stop because "They" won't stop. Peacemakers will just get mortally wounded in the process. Violence can do a lot of cleansing.
     
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  22. Meta777

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    We have a lot of women and young faces running in 2016. That gives me hope. Baby Boomers have destroyed the amusement park. We need to elect a whole new class of leaders concerned with problem solving, not politics.
     
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    You somehow imagine, evidently, that the present societal rift in America can exist without violence, which is impossible. This being the case, the only way to stop the violence is to heal the rift.
     
  25. Belch

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    I think he's hoping that somebody can provide an escape to the inevitable violence, I know he's thinking that we're going to have some kumbaya moment where the progressives and conservatives hold hands and sing about how they would like to give the world a coke, but since he professes no ideas of his own, it's just wishful thinking.
     

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