How chemical weapons have helped bring Assad close to victory.

No, the 'common thread' is Wahhabism, the most fundamental form of Islam, and the intention is to return the world to the 7th century; I suggest you watch Bitter Lake. There is such a vast disconnect between us I see no point in continuing the discussion.

 

OK Sir Robin, good talking to you.

Regarding Bitter Lake, I have seen it and found it interesting and thought provoking but then again, it was one man's interpretation of the situation. If your one take-away from watching it was that it's all the fault of Wahhabism then I think you may have missed the point.

Even if you believe it's all the fault of Wahhabism, how does attempting to bomb Jihadists into oblivion in a war zone stop the spread of Wahhabism ?

 

England deserves some of the credit, Assad couldn't do it without us.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ort-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html

 

Exactly.

I enter into fights I can never win.

But I can lose.

It's like swimming in the sea. If I stop swimming I drown.

I may never kill all terrorists. And each one I kill may provoke more.
But they are trying to kill me. If I leave them alone, they kill me.

So we understand that there is no absolute and final victory. That this is all but impossible.
But we still have to fight. We still seek to control their numbers, their concentrations, their build ups. Where ever we can.

Not to fight = auto lose.
You have to fight. In this life you must give battle.
Nature does not forgive cowardice.


Before I go to sleep I kill every mosquito in the room.
Tomorrow, there will be more mosquito's.
I will kill every mosquito in the room before I go to sleep.

I cannot kill all mosquito's, but I can kill enough per day, not to get bitten.

Pest control.

 

To get paid for being whingers.

 

Well you still haven't proposed an alternative to it, but it doesn't matter because this discussion has reached an impasse.

 

I have, but you seem determined not to acknowledge it.

 

That's it in a nutshell. How can anyone not see it!

 

Because it's so ludicrous that it wouldn't stand a snow-ball's chance in hell of succeeding.

 

"how does attempting to bomb Jihadists into oblivion in a war zone stop the spread of Wahhabism ?"

By killing them.
Few things are more self restricting than death.

Try it, kill yourself and see how much you achieve afterwards. I think you'll find it somewhat impairing.


If we take a look at countries like Iraq and Afghanistan we can see that denying our enemies the ability to build up their forces prevents them from becoming a larger force.
They can't build the infrastructure to make nukes for example.
Because we bomb the **** out of them.

ISIS can't build an army the size of Saddam's, because we bomb the sht out of them.
They can't build financial centres to rival London because we bomb the **** out of them.
They can't build any WMD or the air forces or rocket forces to deliver them to us...because we bomb the **** out of them.
They can't build a parliament or any embassies... because we bomb the **** out of them.
They can't get out of their caves because we bomb the **** out of them.

Kind of makes it hard for them to become a significant threat against us.

 

And there was no threat to the UK before the second gulf war then "we" started to bomb and continued bombing the **** out of them/. The continued bombing the **** out of them by the US led to 911. Your lack of logic is astounding

 

We had another threat.
We had the IRA.

It was US funded.

The US is our ally. We have threats to us greater than Jihadi's and the US is the best counter we have to those greater threats.
Russia for example. Iran perhaps.

Since we have joined their war on terror, they have ended their backing of our own terrorism problem.
We have exchanged the IRA problem for a lesser one.


If we consider all these wars to be "oil wars" it should be noted that the US is not dependent on middle eastern oil, but the UK is.

If some one is going to re-write who controls the middle east, we need to be part of that story. We are not just allies of convenience.
We are not just sympathetic allies of the US.

We are practical and self interested partners. We have reasons of our own to be there. We've been meddling in the middle east long before America took the lead. It is of considerable strategic importance to us.
Hanging on the coat tails of a winning army? This is a big bonus for us.
Imagine us going it alone. Very much more messy.

 

I personally don't think it did - I think it was the opening salvo of the jihad.

 

Apart from the Iran comment, I don't disagree. However, your post makes us the terrorist

 

The US were weekly bombing Iraq and Afghanistan ever since the first gulf war in 1990/1991 where thousands were blown to bits and much infrastructure was destroyed. I'm quite sure that this continual bombing was enough to stir the hornets nest. Would you sit back and do nothing if your local power station, water stations and communication systems were regularly bombed along with a few relatives?

 

This isn't a question of "right and wrong",
It's a question of who's side you are on.

This is a giant game of chess and if you play it wrong it's your power stations and your families getting bombed.

So stay focused on what really matters to you.

Then adjust your morality until it does not.

Losing is not an option.
Survival is our game.

Iran is a regional threat to the middle east.
It seeks hegemony.

One of it's favourite tricks is the threaten to close the Persian Gulf, cutting off our oil supply.
It is not our choice alone to be enemy with Iran. They make this choice for us.
They think us weak and seek to usurp our hegemony. They pursue this actively.
Doesn't matter to them if we don't like it or just want to be their friends.

 

Good point, I've always wondered what the **** made the US actually believe they could find one man (OBL) in a mountainous country like Afghanistan. What an effing unmitigated fiasco it has all been. And now Syria too - can't they get anything right?

 

Sorry dude ... but where is the proof / evidence for that?

To date, this has not been delivered and there are only suspicions that chlorine gas was released.
I say it deliberately released and not used, because in the case of chlorine gas, we have several more facts that are still not mentioned by the accusing West and taken into account in the charges and allegations.

Point 1
Contrary to some idiotic claim, it is Assad and it is also allowed the rebels to legally own and buy chlorine gas! Why? Because chlorine gas is also needed for peaceful things and water treatment is at the top of this list of peaceful uses! As anyone can imagine, clean drinking water is a scarce commodity during the war and requires treatment to prevent diseases such as cholera. This happens among other things with chlorine gas!

And that this simple and enormously important fact is NOT is being shared and said by our great governments and media, that speaks volumes!
Or have you ever heard of this fact reported by one of the governments or seen / heard / read anywhere in the media?
Not me, but for baseless claims that there were chlorine gas attacks AND also that Assad supposedly does not own any chlorine gas ... which is a blatant lie!

Point 2
Of course we all know since WW-1 that chlorine gas can also be used for a poison gas attack ... even if it is not very effective compared to other toxic gases!
Now, indeed, traces of chlorine have been found by all the institutions at one or another of the alleged or actual sites of poison gas users. But is that a proof of a poison gas use of chlorine? No ... at best a hint, if any!
Chlorine is supplied as far as possible in gas bottles or as tablets or granules and as stated in point 1, it is also legally available to the rebels because of the water treatment. Therefore, there are countless scenarios why chlorine can be detected in a soil ... all of which have nothing to do with a gas attack.
And even victims who are seen on video do not necessarily have to be victims of a targeted poison gas attack, cause a bomb to explode into a chlorine gas bottle storage or get a supply of chlorine tablets or granules wet for some reason, then you have the same effect ... if you doubt it, check out chlorine accidents for pools in your country

 

Chess not Draughts.

How did we get here?

In WW2 we were getting our oil supply from America.
Not the Middle East.

We invaded and conquered Mesopotamia (Iran and Iraq) not to get the oil for ourselves but ti deny it to Hitler.
Who was bombing us every day and night. Every day a new 9/11. Every night a new 9/11. Day in day out.

So this is Chess not Draughts.
What had Iran and Iraq done to us, nothing and yet everything. Because consequences can be indirect,

 

If you Chlorine gas me, I may slap you, but I won't shoot you.

Chemically it's bleach plus acid.
Piss in the bowl. That will make it.

As excuses for mass murder go, I don't buy into it myself.

 

No gays in Iran either, Ahmanijad said so, stupid Westerners......

 

Nonsense...
You forget that the British oil fields and the invasion of the ME region covered and secured all the needs of the British forces in North Africa and Asia ... there was no fuel delivery from the US for Montgomery and the 8th Army or for the troops against Japan in India and Burma fought etc. ... even Australia and New Zealand got their oil mainly from the ME at that time!
Furthermore, the conquest in Iran in August 1941 also served the support of the USSR itself.
Even among the Russians, even in 1940, when they were friends with Hitler, they had plans to invade Iran!
Right is however the fuel demand in Great Britain itself from the USA and from the Caribbean was covered!

 

No one forced you to buy it ... as no one can sell here Chlorine gas attacks of Assad without any evidence.
Not that I support this bastard in Syria ... but to lie and claim BS is not better!

 

If you are disinclined to take murderous dictators at their word, why do you believe everything DJT says?

Actually OPCW certified that Syria had got rid of their chemical weapons, but you will never hear that on your MSM.

 

Whatever gave you the idea that I believe what Donald Trump says ? Heck if he wished me a good morning, I'd reflexively check whether it's afternoon.

OPCW certified at a particular point in time that the Syrian regime was not in possession of chemical weapons. That doesn't mean that they hadn't successfully hidden some and/or managed to reacquire some.