How Corporate Wokeness Gives Business a Pass to Screw Workers

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  1. Horhey

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    Finally, some on the Right have figured it out:
    But will they come to realize that capitalism is fundamentally anti-democratic? As the World Bank points out, Neoliberalism represents "a dramatic shift away from a pluralist, participatory ideal of politics and towards an authoritarian and technocratic ideal."

    https://books.google.com/books/about/Aid_and_Power_Vol_1.html?id=RQdUAQAAQBAJ

    Capitalism leads to oligarchy. A system in which "the bottom line trumps the common good and government takes a back seat to big business" (Robert Reich).

    How Capitalism Is Killing Democracy

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    Interesting. California is on the other side of the spectrum and in spite of excessive taxes and massive government control, workers are even worse off.
     
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    Moral:

    As ever, the powerful are sociopaths & the People are ****ed.
     
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    I disagree Businesses adopt "wokeness" because they want to avoid reducing the customer base. They do it out of self interest. They are hounded by the left to adopt the left's agenda. They play along.

    That is an opinion and not one founded in experience. Some people can't seem to separate the difference between economic systems and political ones. They are separate things. Oligarchy is caused by government accepting bribes from business.

    The common good isn't the domain of business. Businesses are self interested. The common good is the domain of government and unfortunately it is also self interested.

    It isn't. Government is killing democracy. I find it hard to imagine why that isn't obvious to everyone.
     
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    Are they? Then why do so many people go to California for jobs? There must be some reason for 40 million people choosing to live and work there.
     
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    Shouldn't the common good be everyone's responsibility? It's why we pay taxes. It's the price for living in a civilized, enlightened society. The role of elected government should primarily be to keep bog corporations and wealthy individuals from cheating the rest of us, via things like tax loop holes that create a revenue shortage that we the working class must make up for out of our much smaller wallets.

    Tax breaks for the rich are destroying the middle class and weakening democracy. We must stop electing corporate shills to public office.
     
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    No, everyone has no ability to affect the common good. Government does.

    Tax loop holes are the same for everyone. They are part of the tax code. Nobody is cheating anybody. The problem is donations to political campaigns. They create corruption. You can't stop the corruption on the part of incumbent office holders. The system requires them to be corrupt. The best solution for that is single term limits. Try to get as many people as you can to vote against incumbents.

    Nonsense. It is politicians that are destroying democracy. You don't elect corporate shills. You elect career politicians. You (the voters in general) are the problem.
     
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    Corporatism is destroying Capitalism

    Foreign Outsourcing, Foreign Imports, AI ... the world is gonna have to change as this is unsustainable

    and no.... more tax cuts for the rich or mega corps is not gonna fix this
     
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    Trump actually made this happen by his attacks on black players, calling them SOB's and such, the public has had enough, there is no reason Trump could not of just supported the push back on bad cops, no one should support bad cops - at the very least Trump could have kept his mouth shut... but in the end, maybe some good will come of it

    good cops should protect the public from bad cops - it's really that simple
     
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    Part of capitalism is doing what maximizes profits. Companies maximize profits. It is incompetence to do otherwise. Outsourcing is quite sustainable but it hurts the American economy because it sends jobs abroad. Companies are content with cheaper foreign labor. In fact they are pushed into that contentment by competition.

    If you want companies to stop importing Chinese made products stop buying them. Businesses just do what people want. If they don't they go out of business.

    Taxes have nothing at all to do with out sourcing. They are a government matter not a business matter.
     
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    Jobs are leaving CA. I live and work here. One argument I hear often is "If its so bad, why don't you leave?" I have 5 kids and deep roots here. I choose stability for my family over leaving this business hostile state.

    If you are a liberal, prog, etc, I respect your position, but results in CA show that your ideology does more harm than good.
     
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    had min wage kept up with inflation that would of happened, but as people had less buying power they turned more and more to foreign goods - it's the domino effect

    some on the right think tax cuts for the rich and the mega corps can solved all our economic problems - I disagree, these tax cuts actually hurt America due to our ever-increasing debt because of them
     
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    I think minimum wage just gives companies an excuse to underpay people. The marketplace can do a better job.

    Our ever increasing debt results from overspending. We allowed politicians to use spending as a measure of performance. We would have done better to do the opposite. The problem is that if you increase taxes the politicians will spend it as soon as they can and then continue to overspend with more debt. Tax cuts just move the spending to debt so it really doesn't fix anything as you say. It is spending that needs control.
     
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    many companies will pay the lowest wage possible, so yes, the min wage set what that lowest wage can be

    the debt has been growing about a trillion a year since Bush jr, what bill caused that increase, what was added to the spending that cost 1 trillion a year? if it was that simple, we could go back to that bill and see it

    what happened was we gave huge tax cuts to the rich under Bush... and now the mega corps under Trump
     
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    But lowest wage possible becomes a matter of competition rather than government mandate.

    It is all of them. It is really simple but it would require government to be overhauled so government isn't going to go for that. I have posted how to deal with it several times on the forum. I won't repeat myself.

    You don't get it at all. Spending has nothing to do with taxes.
     
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    you don't get it, tax cuts cause debt to rise by not paying off the credit card, tax cuts are not free

    but you never said what changed under Bush, what did we change in the budget that added 1 trillion a year to the debt?
     
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    I disagree on all points.

    Everyone can be part of the solution, just as everyone can be part of the problems. We the people are not powerless, and we choose our government, so if that government does not behave in a manner that boosts the common good, that's on us. Plus, community awareness and involvement is something even non-voters can and should practice.

    No, tax loopholes are not the same for everyone. Most of us don't have the deductions that increase and multiply for the wealthy. Tax brackets are not equitable. And tax codes for businesses are even more convoluted. Trump's tax cuts affected workers for a short period, but gave corporations a permanent 14% rate cut. Does that seem fair to you?

    Yeah, I know that corporations create jobs, but the money they got from Trump, with the promise that it would be used to create jobs and raise wages, ended up being used for exactly what many predicted: buying back their own stock in order to increase stock value for their CEOs and such and their wealthy stockholders. And all the while creating an extra $1.7 trillion in debt/revenue shortage.

    "The system requires them to be corrupt." Please explain.
     
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    If they don't take money from companies and lobbyists they won't have enough money to be competitive.
     
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    You don't get it. Spending causes debt to rise. If government doesn't overspend, there is no additional debt. Tax cuts are free. They simply cause the overspending to be fueled by debt instead of taxes.

    Politicians don't honor the budgets. You know that. 1 trillion a year was caused by spending more than we had and adding to the debt. Taxes have nothing to do with spending. Spending is the problem.
     
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    LOL! Name one place in America where jobs are not leaving.

    I'm a native Californian. I made a lot of money working there. I guess it depends on what you know how to do.
     
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    Campaign finance reform. Everyone should be granted a certain amount of public exposure for making their case for election. No one should have a financial advantage.
     
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    I am also a native Californian. While I am fortunate to make a good living, companies are leaving CA and moving to business friendly states. CA is the poverty capitol of the US in spite of having the highest taxes. The gap between the rich and poor is huge and schools rank with the lowest.

    Politics aside, I love it here. I love the beaches, snowboarding resorts, canyons for riding the motorcycle, museums, hollywood clubs, etc. If high taxes equaled a thriving society, I would be a Democrat!
     
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    I would support that if it included an end to political donations. Government could pay for debates.
     
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    but what was that extra trillion a year spent on... the tax cuts did not help, and no one can tell me what Bush spent that on and then Obama continued and Trump continues to this day... what needs to be changed back to what it was before Bush

    if I have an extra $100,000.00 on my credit card a year for a decade, I would think I would be able to explain why that was
     
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    America has a socialist monetary system since the inception of the federal reserve in 1913, there's nothing free market about it, the communists just want you to think it's capitalist so you reject capitalism...people need to wake up to what is really going on in the corrupt socialist banking system.

    Yes politicians also do this, the cloak themselves in wokeness to distract from those issues that really matter
     

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