'How dare you': Greta Thunberg tears into world leaders over inaction at U.N. climate summit

You obvious can neither see nor understand what is happening beyond your own little world lost amongst the pine-trees wherever on this planet.

She's a highly intelligent and courageous girl and had you made the effort to understand what she is saying, you'd know better.

But you don't - so fester on ...

 

You've got it all back to front.
Zero marginal cost electricty means free energy for everyone, when the transition from expensive filthy fossil to clean green energy is complete (see my post #450 above).

The state will maintain the system including recycling, by using its currency issuing capacity (via treasury and central bank), at no cost to the population, since the resources required for said maintenance are mostly labour (once the infrastructure is built).

 

You fail to understand that you are very much amongst the comparative few who are against the "hoopla" of Climate Change.

So YOU chose to avoid what scientists have proven to be correct. Without the slightest cogent rebuttal. The present is proof of the future, and we've had last year one of the hottest summers on record. (See here!) How many summers of increased temperatures are necessary to convince you?

Some people must learn the hard way ... !

 

I'm just saying if the little witch was courageous her mentors would send her to China....they are destroying the planet.

 

Shes a teenager with a mental disorder. Who cares what she thinks.

 

You do....

 

Yes, a good idea: or rather, open public sector education examining dangerous mythologies (for world peace) in biblical texts, when fundamentalists/literalists influence policy.

Just as is required in Afghanistan, where Trump hopes to extricate the US from an endless war.....but the Taliban sure aren't going to relinquish their own fundamentalist attachment to similar dangerous mythologies (for world peace) in the Koran.

Correct, and your 'mode' = median

https://www.sapling.com/8092419/difference-median-income-vs-average

"Median income is the exact middle income earned by someone in a job or career field. Average income is the mathematical mean of all incomes for that position. In most cases, these income levels are very close, though especially high or low salaries can cause the average to be higher or lower than the median income.

Which is why median income in the US, with extreme wage inequaiity ranging from $7.50/hr to $100,000/hr* or more, is much lower than average income.

* with most people being closer to c.$25/hr

 

Nope. I don't care at all what she has to say.

 

The latest from Europe {passed onto me by an acquaintance): I hope Greta is informed:

A GREEN NEW DEAL FOR EUROPE
A BLUEPRINT FOR EUROPE'S JUST TRANSITION
Our landmark report is the most comprehensive plan ever published to pull Europe out of the twin crises of austerity and climate and environmental breakdown.The Green New Deal for Europe, the second edition of which has just been published, is an interesting and thought-provoking document which you might enjoy reading. Its contributors include Bill McKibbin and Ann Pettifor, who wrote forewords, and many others, including a friend of mine, the MMT economist Dirk Ehnts.

(Outline follows):

"It includes proposals for a substantial green public investment agency; compensation for displaced workers; a job guarantee; the use of the genuine progress indicator in economic management; proposals to reduce homelessness; to build sustainable housing; to bring electricity utilities into public ownership and transform the grid; to transform transportation; to make agriculture more sustainable; to introduce industrial democracy; to invest in appropriate research and make the results freely available; and to transform international trade agreements, among much else.

It also advocates for a bottom-up democratic movement to advocate for a genuine GND, as opposed to the greenwashing that is going on in the EU at the moment. It explains that the necessary investments can be made by public authorities as long as the necessary real resources are available, given that the monetary system is organised so that those authorities are monetary sovereigns.
It then advocates for the issuance of green bonds to ‘fund’ green investments. We obviously don’t need those green bonds for funding if we live in a monetary sovereign state. The euro-zone countries are not monetary sovereigns, of course. However, overall it is a very worthwhile document".

 

More one-liner blah-blah-blah.

This is a DEBATE Forum, not a Message Board ... !

 

Well hey, you stretched it two lines and managed to ignore his point.

 

Then why don't you address the fact the little witch fails to address the Nation that entirely abuses our earth and confront China? You are the one that uses the debate forum as a message board. In your self righteousness you entirely ignore my premise. Typical progressive activist. You just seem to hate America.

 

Thanks Fatback.

 

Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me!

Instead of bitchin'-&-moanin' in a blog why don't YOU confront China. See where it gets you.

Thunberg is not Wonder-Woman - she is, however, one helluva kid ...

I don't hate America. But, unlike you, I am not blind to its misgivings.

The country is inherently unfair economically and its political voting-system has been corrupted since the get-go in 1812.

Only with genuine ignorance can one overlook its shortcomings as you do ...

 

She is a kid with no business lecturing adults in America. My message to you bleeding heart liberals, why don't you take your little witch/puppet to China and lecture them. They are responsible for at the very least 50% of carbon emmisions. You want to ignore that topic.

This country gives more opportunity to individuals than any country ever existed. How does Ben Carson, a full black American, ancestor of slavery (unlike Barrack Hussein Obama) become a noted brain surgeon? His single mother had no education. How does Herman Cain rise to be CEO of Godfathers Pizza? Where else does this stuff happen? How did Mike Lindell become the Pillow magnet he is after struggling with drug addiction for so may years. If you know of a better country....go there.

I know the countries misgivings. I know what we have overcome. I do not dwell on them like you and so many professors that want to tear down this nation. If you want to call us a racist nation, why don't you lecture Japan that truly IS a racist nation? You and Greta types, along with Hanoi Jane, like to lecture about the evils of America in America because it won't get you thrown in the stockade. This is why I challenge you....why don't you and the little witch make a lecture tour of China? That would take real courage!

 

So is she a little girl? Or a grown woman? Because it seems that changes according to who says what about her.

Meantime, she's lit exactly no fires under the very people responsible for destroying the planet (the First World middle and upper classes). She regards them as her greatest allies and fans.

 

Do you understand the maintenance involved with windmills? They do use petroleum for lubrication. What about the makeup of batteries most of which is powered by coal. Are jets that fly little Gretta all over to spout her propaganda propelled by solar?

 

Please educate yourself (though that will require a less ideological stance on your part).

1. the lubricants required for electric motor bearings etc do not need to be fossil-oil-based.

2. Batteries are powered by coal? I suppose you mean EV batteries are presently charged from the coal-dependent grid. But you have it back to front again; the grid will be converted to renewable zero marginal cost 'fuel' (solar/wind) backed by pumped hydro storage. Plus hydrogen fuel-cell technology for EVs is proceeding apace.

3. "The primary human activities that release carbon dioxide (CO2) into the atmosphere are the combustion of fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and oil) to generate electricity, the provision of energy for transportation, and as a consequence of some industrial processes.

Although aviation CO2 emissions only make up approximately 2.0 to 2.5 percent of total global annual CO2 emissions, research to reduce CO2 emissions is urgent because (1) such reductions may be legislated even as commercial air travel grows, (2) because it takes new technology a long time to propagate into and through the aviation fleet, and (3) because of the ongoing impact of global CO2 emissions".

Note the underlined words; nevertheless research into non-fossil fuel propulsion for aircraft is proceeding apace, so no reason to delay the transformation of the grid from coal/fossil to clean green.

So.......Greta's concerns are not "propaganda", in contrast to your ideology, based on misplaced concern for exclusive operation of profit-driven free markets.

 

Well go greta! The little witch is leading the libs to defeat!

 

Blah, blah, blah. (This is an Economics Forum, let's have the factual evidence please!)

You have no sense of factual history of employment in America, which is why you are so blind as to what has been happening!

Some factual historical information from the Bureau of Labor Statistics here: A profile of the working poor, 2017 - excerpt:

Knowledge of the factual historical evidence is what makes and keeps a country great. Not the hoopla you watch on TV, particularly that of America's worst presidency in history ...

Like so many, you make the mistake in thinking that low-unemployment is the Only Goodness one can expect from government Management of the Economy. Wrong!

What matters is the distribution of Income in any economy. Meaning Who Is Getting What? And as regards that notion, what becomes Highly Relevant is the notion of Income Disparity! Which is defined as this:

For your edification, note the Income Inequality graphic linked here by the OECD. Note the fact that the US has one of the highest Income Disparities in the range given by the OECD. Now ask yourself Why?

The answer to that question is one of national upper-income taxation ...

 

I sometimes wonder how she does everything:

 

The "record" that coincidentally begins at the end of the coldest 500 years in the last 10,000...?

That depends on whether the temperatures are real or fabricated.

And anti-fossil fuel hysteria mongers are going to be among them. Take it to the bank. How are you going to apologize for participating in the second biggest scientific hoax in history?

 

Speaking of the bank; we have the technology right now to begin building the infrastructure required to run the entire globe on zero marginal cost electricity. And the BIS will look after the bank: as they intimated when they said: "central banks might have to buy the coal industry".

Are you going to apologize for blocking the transition to zero marginal cost sustainable green energy, because of your inadequate economic ideology?

 

If we want to impoverish ourselves pursuing a fantasy designed to solve a non-problem.

Unlike you, I am still in contact with reality.

 

What? Building some pumped hydro dams to store zero marginal cost solar/wind energy?

I'm with Jeremy Rifkin, author of "The Green New Deal".

(Wiki)

"Rifkin has taught at the Wharton School executive education program at the University of Pennsylvania since 1995, where he instructs CEOs and senior management on making a transition of their business operations into sustainable economies. Rifkin is ranked #123 in the WorldPost / HuffingtonPost 2015 global survey of "The World's Most Influential Voices". He also is listed among the top ten most influential economic thinkers in the survey.[5] Rifkin has lectured before many Fortune 500 companies, and hundreds of governments, civil society organizations, and universities over the past thirty five years.[6]

Hmmm...now I know all that's not necessarily a sign of "being in touch with reality", but.......