'How dare you': Greta Thunberg tears into world leaders over inaction at U.N. climate summit

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  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    No you didn't.

    Real Median Household income in 2007 was $60,985 in 2007, not the $59k you claim. $60,985 rounds to $61k not $59k. If you have to resort to such nonsense to "make" a point, reconsider whether it's worth making.

    You also claimed that $59k was reached in 2009, which is also wrong. In 2009 real household income was $58,400. That rounds to $58k not $59k.
    Once again you create a ridiculous claim out of thin air and then attribute it to me. Sad!
    Yes. We vote our self interest, and it's not Bernie.

    Biden's wiping the floor with Bernie tonight. It's just a slaughter. Biden is up by 14 now in Michigan, by almost 2-to-1 in Missouri, and better than 4-to-1 in Mississippi.

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    Given how poorly Sanders has done by all metrics in the last three weeks, how much of his massive 2016 support was really nothing more than anti-Hillary sentiment?

    2016 was basically a two-person race, and Sanders did impressively well against Clinton. This time around, in a much bigger field, Sanders never came close to matching his 2016 turnout figures.

    He's a terrible candidate with a terrible platform, who in their right mind would give up their Freedom and Liberty for that Socialist crap? Even Democrats apparently never really embraced it.
    You want single payer, go for it, why are you so hot and bothered for us to have it, when we don't want it?
    Your response to:
    The most murderous dictatorships on the planet are Socialist.
    Mao - 76 million
    Stalin - 23 million
    Hitler - 17 million.

    Is so what? That seems a bit dismissive.

    That's their line of crap as they seize power.
    And respecting the rights of others to pursue their self interests.
    Actually the problem is human nature. Once the Socialist seize power they work in their own self-interests having removed from those they rule the ability to protect their self interests from the Socialists who have seized power. Our system is better. We rule ourselves.
    Why sure, this is always the claim, but once the people have been stripped of the rights first comes the whip and then the death squads. No thanks.
    Do you check ANYTHING before you claim it? The world has never been safer.

    War Deaths in Massive Decline:

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    You need more facts in your world view and less hyperbole. That would make you more believable and you'd feel better about yourself!
     
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  2. a better world

    a better world Well-Known Member

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    Nitpicking? The point remains, as Bill Mitchell has described it.

    "Feature this month: Occupational wage bias intensifies through 2019
    We have previously analysed the issue of job quality in the US labour market.
    It is one thing to be creating jobs in volume but another to be creating well-paid, secure jobs...…."


    Unfortunately for you, the facts are readily attainable via the internet.

    But there is an alternative to the entrenched poverty and spiralling inequality that results from "voting (in) our own self -interest"

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2019/03/05/mmt-sense-or-nonsense/#48423a185852

    Yes.

    Good question. But I think ignorance of taxation policies among the general population is hurting Bernie now, whereas in 2016 the mainstream Dems wanted Hillary - and now want Biden: but in 2016 the mainstream was viewed as useless among the numerous casualties of the 'rust belt'.

    Sadly.

    He raised the greatest campaign donations of any candidate, from people who support his message of an economy that works for all.

    "We don't want it"? We ...being 50-50 split (see below)?

    https://www.kff.org/slideshow/publi...ns-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/

    You should check the polls. A majority are in favour of single payer, though:

    KFF polling found that when such a plan is described in terms of the trade-offs (higher taxes but lower out-of-pocket costs), the public is almost equally split in their support (Figure 10).

    Proving my point that the 'how can we pay for it" tax hang-up of the unknowing general population is a millstone around progressives.

    I'm not dismissive. Those figures (except Hitler - those are world war casualties) were huge preindustrial agrarian societies. Capitalism was sure not working, or going to work....

    Correct (apparently you noted what I said about universal instinctive greed).

    Full of ideological errors; hence you are ignoring the alternative to rule by self-interest, that does not violate that self-interest:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2019/03/05/mmt-sense-or-nonsense/#48423a185852

    Yep sounds like RW death squads to me..

    Pays to read the small print: "only conflicts in which at least one party was the government..."

    The proxy war in Syria between the US and Russia ALONE is responsible for 400,000 civilian deaths, with Trump counting the dollars from arms sales...(no doubt related to the increasing red area (in 2016) in your graph.

    But just so you know:

    http://www.worldfuturefund.org/Reports/Imperialism/usmurder.html

    DEATH TOLL FROM MODERN AMERICAN WARS
    KILLED IN THE NAME OF "FREEDOM"
    OVER 12 MILLION DEAD IN AMERICA'S WARS

    SINCE WORLD WAR II

    Don't forget to look in the mirror.

    I say again, your world view is unaware of the tension between desire for freedom of the (self-interested) individual, and the freedom of other individuals with different self-interests.
     
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  3. Zorro

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    No. You claimed you rounded to the nearest thousand and your claim was false. You don't need to get defensive about it.
    You falsely attributed the position to me.
    You sure are self-righteous. You vote the interest you want to vote, and I'll do the same.
    Bernie's hurting Bernie. He went on and on about how wonderful Cuba is and Castro was and then his writings were examined and it became clear that he's not just a quirky old grandfather, he's evil and he is a lifelong proponent of an evil system. The American People simply know more about him and are wisely rejecting him.

    Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist and has demonstrated a lifelong devotion to Communist regimes in the USSR, Cuba and Venezuela. But now that he is running for president, he deflects accountability by claiming that by “socialist” he means countries like Sweden and Denmark–countries which are not in fact socialist and which have, in many ways, more conservative policies than we do.

    When Bernie was called out this, he attempted to evade. Bernie: I’m not an expert on Sweden. Exactly, those free-market economies aren’t his thing. Bernie’s socialism is more of the Soviet Union, Castro, Maduro variety. https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1237158089209655296 …

    So Bernie is not an expert on the current economy in Sweden? Or, if the question had been framed that way, on Denmark. Fine. But then, don’t tell voters your goal is to make the U.S. more like contemporary Sweden and Denmark.

    As inept a candidate as Joe Biden is, he is lucky to have an opponent as lame as Bernie Sanders. No wonder the DNC changed the rules to bar Tulsi Gabbard from future debates. She would have wiped the floor with both of them.
    Has it passed the House and been sent to the Senate?
    Anti-American Tripe. 3-4 million dead in the Korean war is our fault? Wait, I get it, you wanted the Communists to conquer the South in their war of aggression, we pushed them back, so you blame the whole thing on us, because South Korea didn't become the "Workers Paradise" that North Korea is.

    You blame us for the 5.5 million dead while the French were fighting North Vietnam?

    Oh, I see you blame us for the killing fields of Cambodia, even though the slaughter was carried out by the communist Pol Pot. I guess we made him mad.
    No, that is exactly where we have a sensible regulatory role for government.

    Your dogmatic anti-Americanism is kind of boring, and Bernie is getting soundly rejected so the MMT gal that you were so eager to see at Treasury isn't likely to make it. Thank you for sharing your views.

    Good day.
     
  4. LafayetteBis

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    Bollocks! Do your homework before blathering in a DEBATE Forum!

    To wit:
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    It's in the Services Industries where higher qualifications (studies) provide the most job-creation ... !
     
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  5. a better world

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    A look at the US economy as it is now:

    www.bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/

    "The February 2020 US BLS labour market data release reveals a mixed picture.

    Payroll employment growth has maintained its momentum since December, adding a further 273 thousand jobs and the unemployment rate fell marginally (although steady at the one-decimal point level).

    But the employment-population ratio fell by 0.1 points and the Broad labour underutilisation ratio (U-6) rose in January by 0.1 point to 7 per cent because there were more underemployed workers.

    Further, while real wages grew marginally, they lag behind labour productivity growth, which means there is scope for faster wages growth without triggering inflationary impulses.

    And the polarisation between high-pay and low-pay continues.
    So getting workers into paid employment is one thing.
    Paying them decent wages and providing them with secure jobs is another.


    I conclude that there is still scope for expansion even though the unemployment rates are at levels not seen since the 1960s."

    So.….Farnsworth has a point. Not everyone can be a worker in AI.

    Meanwhile polarisation between high-pay and low-pay continues.
     
  6. a better world

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    Possibly, but she would still have the problem of explaining to the electorate "how are we going to pay for it". Bernie's not lame. He identified a financial transaction tax. Biden IS lame- he says we cannot afford the GND, when indeed the resources and knowhow exist to make it happen.

    I blame your world view - with its insistence on ONE nation as world policeman, instead of a UNSC without veto, for the 40 million killed in all wars since the end of WW2.. That's NOT anti-American. Ask Tulsi Gabbard who you mentioned.

    Sensible? ……….MMT is sensible! Wealth creation confined to profit-driven private markets ALONE is as insane as ..well...the US being the world policeman....

    The first bit I addressed above; and as for Stephanie: watch out for her latest book "The Deficit Myth", should be available soon.
     
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