'How dare you': Greta Thunberg tears into world leaders over inaction at U.N. climate summit

Yup. And the rest of your post is a frolic that never deals with the point you were pretending to answer in any type of a serious manner.



The FPL is $12,060/year, or $6.03/hr if employed full time.

And chances are their math skills far exceed yours. A person employed full time at $10/hr is making $20,000 a year, even without working overtime and that includes 2 full weeks of holidays, that is nearly 2 times the federal poverty rate.

Actually production wages have been rising very nicely on average, and especially for the bottom two quintiles, at over $28/hr it's nearly twice your target.

The private sector pays nearly twice level on average and in terms of persons, to millions well in excess of a hundred million, every week.

Your premise is wrong, your math is wrong and you haven't addressed the point you are pretending to address. Where MMT is right, it's not new. Where it's new, it's wrong.

Here is the point you pretended to address and did not: Leaving Social Security unchanged, for the same money, the federal government could give everyone a stream of payments at the Federal Poverty Level and eliminate ALL social network benefits, except Social Security.

Total nonsense you again, are assuming your point.

Meaningless hair on fire hyperbole.

If you want to invest in Green Economy, no one is stopping you.

No. The Federal Government was uninvolved in the transition from Coal to Natural Gas, the Private Sector increased the supply of natural gas, which lowered it's cost in comparison with coal, and when folks determined they would benefit, they switched over. They would do the same with your, if you are right, which you doubt, which is why you want to use coercion to accomplish your goals. And that's the problem. In our system, we follow OUR dreams, not yours, so you want force others to follow your dream, using the coercive power of government.

Venezuela has plenty of money, so much that it blows around on the streets taunting those that are starving, without toilet paper, forcing the women to turn tricks to support themselves and their families. They have no shortage of money.

Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserves in the world. They have no shortage of resources.

So, when Nazi's take the jobs with the free money you "create" and then use the money to publish Nazi propaganda, you don't have a problem with that? With the government funding Nazi propaganda through your MMT?

 

Peterson's case is an auto-immune case in which his body has issues with basically any food other than meat. It is not possible for him nor his daughter to eat a vegetarian diet and have their bodies feel good and work properly.

...via flawed data and flawed logic... Many vegetarians are nutrient deficient, while many people who primarily eat a meat and animal product based diet are not nutrient deficient.

We do not use fossils for fuel. Carbon based fuels burn very cleanly.

 

So you want half the nation to work to support the other half. Just like medieval times .. with serfs and aristocrats. Nice!

 

That's right!

We have done such a great job with our emission systems on automobiles, that if you could transport our current cars back to the dreadful smog filled cities of yore, that the air coming OUT of our modern vehicles would be cleaner than the air going into them. In other words, the modern car would actually remove smog from the air.

But, honesty has never been a byword of the Climate Dooms Day Cultists.

Hide The Decline: How Climate Change Data Was Faked.

In this short (20 minute) film, historian Dr. John Robson takes a chronological look at the original IPCC investigation into global temperature changes, revealing how it was compromised by a desire to reach a certain conclusion, with senior scientists deliberately downplaying contradictions in the underlying data in order to present a tidy narrative. This is a devastating summary of how the climate change scientific sausage was made. Not one person in a thousand knows what is authoritatively revealed here about the data series underlying the now iconic “hockey stick chart.” Some of this was highlighted in a recent lawsuit, which was lost by climate change advocates.

 

Sure it is. Just like the fatties, who suffer 'debilitating cravings' if the don't get their cheeseburgers.

 

It is. They both had quite serious issues with their bodies until they switched to a carnivore diet. That doesn't mean a carnivore diet is right for everyone, but it is right for them. As for me, my diet consists primarily of meat and animal products (usually in the form of a hamburger or pork chop), but I do have some other stuff too, such as apples, lima beans, corn, and pizza.

They do suffer cravings (carb and sugar induced), but not due to the cheeseburgers (unless they always eat them with a bun and other unnecessary toppings?). They consume many more calories than they need to consume due to the heavy carbs/sugars that they are ingesting. They also (relating to the above) have their bodies trained to eat more often than they actually need to eat (ie, grazing all day rather than eating 1 or 2 healthy and satiating meals per day and then stopping). Intermittent Fasting like that does a body wonders as well.

Carbs/sugars fool people into thinking that they are not satiated when they are actually satiated or even over satiated. Try eating all meat until you are full and then eating some ice cream afterwards. You will immediately feel hungry again even though you actually aren't.

Oh, and I'm speaking from direct experience. I was a 210 pound fatty. Now, I'm down to a healthy 172ish. What did I do? I simply cut out all snacking [on most days, anyway] and I mostly cut out all unhealthy snack food (chips, candy, soda, etc.)... I lowered my grain/processed food intake and increased my meat/animal product intake. I also started doing intermittent fasting (taking anywhere from 16-24 hours off before I eat again). Just now, I haven't eaten since last night and haven't been the slightest bit hungry, and am looking forward to some nice meat and animal products when I get home.

 

https://www.thebalance.com/income-inequality-in-america-3306190

"One-quarter of American workers make less than $10 per hour. That creates an income below the federal poverty level. These are the people who wait on you every day. They include cashiers, fast food workers, and nurse's aides."

The goal is universal participation ABOVE poverty level.

Not according to the above quoted figure: $10/hr is below the poverty level.

So, 10/hr is fine... that would explain why more than half the population cannot find $1000 in savings in a emergency, and why life expectancy is actually falling amongst the demographic most negatively affected by de-industrialisation, as they are forced into insecure, low paying service jobs.

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I note the term "on average"; your statement amounts to fake news, as millions of blue collar manufacturing jobs have been lost over the last decades.

Just as average wages have been rising since the GFC.....while the bottom 50% have stagnated.

I will mark you as an ideologue, content with poverty as it exists, and leave you with this warning from Ellen Brown:

https://ellenbrown.com/2020/01/10/the-fed-protects-gamblers-at-the-expense-of-the-economy/

"Although the repo market is little known to most people, it is a $1-trillion-a-day credit machine, in which not just banks but hedge funds and other “shadow banks” borrow to finance their trades. Under the Federal Reserve Act, the central bank’s lending window is open only to licensed depository banks; but the Fed is now pouring billions of dollars into the repo (repurchase agreements) market, in effect making risk-free loans to speculators at less than 2%.

This does not serve the real economy, in which products, services and jobs are created. However, the Fed is trapped into this speculative monetary expansion to avoid a cascade of defaults of the sort it was facing with the long-term capital management crisis in 1998 and the Lehman crisis in 2008. The repo market is a fragile house of cards waiting for a strong wind to blow it down, propped up by misguided monetary policies that have forced central banks to underwrite its highly risky ventures".

She concludes the article with:

"Solutions (including MMT) are available, but Congress itself has been captured by the financial markets, and it may take another economic collapse to motivate Congress to act. The current repo crisis could be the fuse that triggers that collapse".

 

Sure, sure. Let's call it all chemical, so we can pretend self-discipline has nothing to do with it.

 

Leaving Peterson aside....

and many vegetarians are healthier than many meat eaters......

"Fossil fuels are hydrocarbons, primarily coal, fuel oil or natural gas, formed from the remains of dead plants and animals. In common dialogue, the term fossil fuel also includes hydrocarbon-containing natural resources that are not derived from animal or plant sources".

Everyone on this thread, except you, understands what I mean by the phrase 'transit from filthy fossil to clean green'... even if they deny the necessity for the transition.

As for burning cleanly: diesel cars are being phased out because they emit carcinogenic particulates and poisonous gases that are injurious to health. ​

 

Self discipline has everything to do with it, but that doesn't mean that chemical issues aren't now occurring as a result of that lack of self discipline.


In the cases of the Peterson's, it's not a self discipline issue. They literally can't eat most foods due to the way their bodies are. That's out of their control.

 

And many meat eaters are healthier than many meat eaters... So???
Maybe those particular meat eaters are eating other junk along with their meat... I used to do that... Now I don't. I used to be a 210 pound fatass; now I'm a healthy 172 pounds and in shape again.

I know what you mean, but I'm making it clear that those fuels have nothing to do with fossils. Fossils are not used for fuel. Oil does not come from fossils. It forms naturally underground. It is renewable, same with natural gas. They both burn very cleanly too.

 

When a 16 year old cries our...."How dare you!!" Liberals tremble.

 

1) it's ALL self-discipline. 'chemical issues' are nothing, compared to the willpower of an adult human. stop blaming the modern diet (itself, a choice).

2) Sorry, but that's absolute BS. Unless they're medically allergic to all foods but meat, then it's completely bogus. They just really like meat. Why JP can't own that, I have no idea. He's a very smart man, but he sure has some personal challenges.

 

We shout that in our house, whenever someone uses a piece of plastic wrap or puts paper in the trash. If it's a bigger sin, we go with "YOU HAVE STOWLEN MY CHILDHOOT".

 

That's wrong. If they worked full time, $10/hr is nearly double the FPL.

Nearly double is well in excess of.

So what? You don't know how to work a calculator, and you are going to lecture us on economics?

Explain why "Appeals to Authority" are a logical fallacy.

Under Trump, and without MMT, he has created more manufacturing jobs than any President in nearly 40 years.

Not since Trump:

Wages for nonsupervisory employees — who make up 82% of the workforce — are rising at the fastest rate in more than a decade, the Wall Street Journal reports.

Those in the bottom quartile have faster rising wages than average worker and faster wage increases than the top quartile.

Pay rates the bottom 25% of wage earners rose 4.5% in November from a year earlier, while wages for the top 25% of earners rose only 2.9%, per data from the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta.

As you wish, but facts are stubborn things.

 

This is who does Greta's talking for her: https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wor.../gretas-facebook-posts-written-by-her-father/

 

That is quite literally what I said. I said "self-discipline has everything to do with it". You can't, however, simply ignore what's going on chemically.

They both seem to have medical issues whenever they eat pretty much anything other than meat products. Watch their interviews about it, especially the daughter's.

 

So let me get this straight-

We have a young woman who is passionate about the environment, who immersed herself in her studies, who has not become a party girl, who does well in school studies.

A girl who has the respect of millions, who has inspired millions of young people to care about their world - rather than the standard self-centered teen.

Here we have a young woman who is building one hell of a college resume, has spoken with world leaders and in front of the UN General Assembly. A girl who can list Time’s Person of the Year as an accomplishment by age 16.

Here we have a teen who isn’t infamous because of who she slept with, or what crime she committed or what terrible deed she has done - just a girl who takes her life seriously.

And to Conservatives, she has become one of the worst humans on the planet.

Holy ****ing crap. That is so seriously screwed up.

 

You are free to worship her of course.

 

The question is why you need to vilify her?

 

She is being used as a pawn. She is too young to have experienced extreme cycles of weather, and I really doubt she knows much weather history. I posted previously the references to who writes her talking points. It just goes to show....anyone, no matter how inexperienced they are, can echo left wing talking points, and the left will fall to their knees at her feet.

 

Okay. I'll help you do so.

No, we have a young woman who has been brainwashed into expressing the irrational fears of a fundamentalist style religion (the "Church of Global Warming").

What studies? Certainly not science. She denies science, as does every AGW believer.

Good for her!

Not science, obviously... Not logic either, nor mathematics.

RandU Fallacy. You are just making up numbers.

RandU Fallacy.

Bigotry.

Yet she denies logic, science, and mathematics.

So?

Time Magazine's liking of someone is not an accomplishment.

More bigotry.

I don't think she's a bad person. I just think she's been done a disservice by her parents, media, etc., and I think that she is poorly educated regarding logic, science, and mathematics.

Seemed reasonable to me.

 

Millions of kids around the world sit around playing video games, talking on their phones and doing nothing with their lives, yet you hate the one who has accomplished more than any of them. Pathetic and sad, dude.

 

Forgive me for taking the advice of every science and meteorological specialist in the world over your “random guy on the Internet” opinion.

 

I agree with you about the video games. Our youth is way to pre occupied by technology and social media. Should spend more time on history....or we're doomed to repeat it.
She has not accomplished anything but on the prompting of her pop who financed her sailboat trip, media campaign, and her talking points. You really jump the shark by saying I hate Greta. Actually, I would like to spend time with her, ask her questions, and expose her to a different viewpoint she has never seen. What is sad and pathetic, Dude, is the pious liberal tactic you use in saying I hate. It is way overused.