How did Barack Obama get into Columbia? (Time to finally vet Barack Obama)

Yes who didn't study and barely got out of high school by his own admittance, it's not about bad grades, how did you mistake mediocre for bad? So do you have anything to show he made outstanding grades at Occidental or Columbia and that was why he got into Harvard?

What's he hiding?

Yep didn't think you did so you desperately have to make it a personal thing...........gotcha..

 

Nope we know a lot more as already posted even the exact program Romney gain admittance through. Stop digging your hole.

So what is Obama hiding about his college days that he won't even talk about them?

 

don't forget he called himself lazy on sixty minutes, but somehow got more done than lincoln and fdr.

 

joe zeppy for president.

 

And almost completely leaves out his college days in his book.

 

of course you are. that's why you continue with this ridiculous witch hunt.

the same thing every other president or candidate is "hiding".

your reasons are just as credible as mine are of romney, bush and every other president or candidate who also has not released their records.

 

Obama is choosing not to reveal his college records just like Romney.

If one is hiding something, then they both are. But then again nobody really thinks either of them is hiding their college records.

 

What are you talking about? Romney and Obama gained admittance the exact same way- they applied to Harvard Law School and were accepted. We know just as much about how Obama was accepted as we do about how Romney was accepted- which is nothing more than speculation.

But you are choosing to not believe Obama's story and you are choosing to believe Romney's story.

 

Well that is suspicious......hmmm what has Romney written about his college days?

Oh thats right- you don't apply the same standards of suspicion to Romney as you do Obama.

What I find so amusing about Birthers is how oblviious they are to the transparent hypocrisy of demanding that Obama must show them his college grades while ignoring that Romney is showing his. How they claim Obama is hiding his college records when Romney is treating his own college records in the exact same manner as Obama.

If anyone really wanted to pressure Obama to release his college grades, the easiest way would be to get Romney to release his- just like Obama has done with his tax records.

 

So lets see.....

Bluesguy has a pretty convoluted series of speculations that lead him to speculate that President Obama may have lied on his college application and claim to be a foreign student.

Now why would Obama do that. Bluesguy says to take advantage of the benefits of being a foreign student.

What were those benefits?

Well its hard to know what they were 20 years ago- but that doesn't stop Bluesguy from claiming that there were benefits. So what are they now?

Financial? No...:
.foreign students Student Budget and Need
International students have the same standard student budget as domestic students, and aid is awarded according to the same formula. The first portion of demonstrated financial need is met through a "base loan" package (which, for international students, consists entirely of Harvard Law School Loans). The remaining financial need above the base loan package is met through Harvard Law School Grant assistance.

What about some type of admission priority- like Bluesguy claims that Obama would have benefitted from?


Oddly Harvard Law doesn't mention such a perk- here is what they say:

The LSAT is only one of the factors used to determine admission. Most admitted applicants at HLS have LSAT scores in the top five percentiles. For the entering class in 2010, 50% of the class scored between 171-176, 25% scored at or above 176 and 25% scored at or below 171. The LSAT, while important, is not determinative. The admissions office tries to assess a number of intangible qualities including energy, ambition, sound judgment and high ideals. Information concerning economic, social or educational obstacles that have been successfully overcome often helps admissions officers to understand an applicant's achievements in a proper perspective.

Energy...ambition...sound judgement and high ideals......wow sounds like the kind of place that would really appreciate someone who had spent a few years trying to improve the lives of poor people in Chicago.....

But for the Obamahaters- it must be because Obama committed fraud.

Lol.

 

Not about where he was born, got it now?

Romney hasnt hidden how he got into Harvard or other schools.

 

Romney has openly discussed his school days and we know how he got into Harvard.

Then why is Obama so silent about it?

 

Alredy posted what is common knowledge and perhaps you should also listen to him more.

You've yet to give me a premise to hsve questions about Romney's early years.

And there he goes again.

Again give me a reason.



If anyone really wanted to pressure Obama to release his college grades, the easiest way would be to get Romney to release his- just like Obama has done with his tax records.[/QUOTE]

 

yes, you're a birther. We get it.

no? you mean he's released his transcripts and college applications? Can you link me to them?

 

And Obama wrote about his in his biography and we know as much about how Obama got into Harvard as we do how Romney did.

We know how both got into Harvard- they applied and were accepted.

Obama is 'silent' in the exact same manner as Romney is 'silent' about his time at Harvard.

Actually Obama spoke to reporters at length about his time at Harvard when he was being interviewed as being head of the Harvard Law Review.

Why do you keep pretending like you know anything more about Romney? Is it the only way you can justify demanding from Obama what Romney is also refusing to disclose?

 

Still correct.

Yet the hypocrisy of Birthers makes them blind to this.

Oh well- both Romney and Obama will continue to ignore the fringe and neither will release their college records- and thats fine with me. I don't think either of their college records is particularly relevant.

 

Oh well if labels are the depth of your intellectual debate I won't water further time.

 

Glosses over.

We know the specific program under which Romney gained admittance, how did Obama do it.



Obama is 'silent' in the exact same manner as Romney is 'silent' about his time at Harvard.

Actually Obama spoke to reporters at length about his time at Harvard when he was being interviewed as being head of the Harvard Law Review.

Why do you keep pretending like you know anything more about Romney? Is it the only way you can justify demanding from Obama what Romney is also refusing to disclose?[/QUOTE]

 

LOL... "specific program"? They both applied. They were both accepted. Anything beyond that is the mystery of law school admissions, a closely guarded secret at even the lousiest of law schools, let alone Harvard.

We don't know how Obama or Romney got in to law school. Hell, I don't know why the selection committee at my law school chose me. That information never comes out and frankly is never even written down.

Why you think Obama's means of getting in to Harvard Law - something that is entirely up to the people at Harvard Law and out of his control - is relevant to a Presidential election is beyond me. Of course, it isn't - it's just another pin in your efforts to discredit him.

 

they're not the depth of my debate. it's simply calling a spade a spade. I and others have completely destroyed your arguments, time and time again, and exposed your hypocricy for what it is. pure partisan hackery.

 

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We know the exact program that Obama gained admittance to also. Serously do you really believe this spin or just feel compelled to make the argument to promote Romney?

Here let me make it simple:
Obama was admitted to Harvard Law's JD program.
Romney was admitted to Harvard's Joint JD and MBA program.

We know exactly which program each of them gained admittance to. We don't know why Harvard chose Romney or Obama.

Romney graduated with honors from Brigham Young, and Obama graduated without honors from Columbia- a much higher ranked university than Brigham Young.

Romney did 2 years of missionary work for the LDS. Obama spent 4 years working, 1 year in publishing, part of a year working on organizing students and 2 plus years assisting poor people in Chicago.

Romney came from a distinguished political family. Obama's father attended Harvard- and Obama Jr. would have been a legacy.

We don't know either of their LSAT scores.

But what we do know is that both of them graduated with honors from Harvard Law.

And both of them are the current candidates for the United States President.

Clearly Harvard Law's selection process was very successful.

 

Oh and while looking things up came across a couple of very interesting articles about Romney and Obama's experiences at Harvard

http://www.npr.org/2012/05/22/153214284/obamas-harvard-days-began-with-exclamation-point

The link has another link to the other article.

Bottom line is that both men impressed their peers at Harvard Law.

 

Yes go read Romney's Wiki bio, then come back and tell us how Obama got in.

It's relevant to his character and professed accomplishments in his life, why you think that is not important is beyond me.

 

I have raed Romney's Wiki bio- and I have read Obama's.

Matter of fact already listed the pertinent facts from both of them.

Romney was a mediocre student in High School- getting B's and C's.
We don't know how he managed to get into Stanford.
We don't know how he managed to get into BYU- but he excelled at BYU, graduating from this 71 ranks college with honors.
Romney spent two years promoting the Church of Latter Day Saints in France, and while there suffered a terrible car crash which almost killed him.
Romney wanted to go into business but his father insisted he study law- so he applied for Harvard's joint MBA and JD program.
We don't know why Romney was accepted into the program.
Graduated from Harvard Law with honors.

Obama said he was a slacker in High School and smoked dope- but never said his grades were poor.
We don't know how Obama got into Occidental.
We don't know how Obama got accepted into Columbia.
Obama did not get honors when he graduated from Columbia- but Columbia is considered the #4 University in the Country.
Obama then worked for a year for a publisher, and then worked organizing college students politically, and then spent over 2 years working with poor people in Chicago.
Obama's father graduated from Harvard, so Obama would be considered a Legacy at Harvard.
Obama applied for Harvard's JD program and was accepted.
We don't know why Obama was accepted.
Obama graduated with honors from Harvard Law.

So to recap: we know exactly as much about how Romney was accepted into Harvard Law as we do Obama...but you only care about Obama.

But you only think it is relevant to Obama....not Romney.

The difference is that I think Obama's college records from 20 years ago are just as irrelevant as Romney's college records from 30 or 40 years ago. I just am against the hypocrisy of demanding something from one candidate that I don't demand from the other.

 

its futile to waste any more time, the same people believe we never went to the moon, and that airplanes did not fly into the world trade center....so sad