How did Obamacare become law?

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  1. Hafez

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    45. How Obamacare Became the “Law of the Land”

    45.(*) How Obamacare Became the “Law of the Land”

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    So how did Obamacare become a law.(*) It’s actually pretty interesting.(*) If you recall, the Democrats in the House weren’t able to pass their version of a Healthcare law.(*) Because all revenue bills have to originate in the House of Representatives, the Senate found a bill that met those qualifications: HR3590, a military housing bill.(*) They took out essentially all of the wording of it, and turned it into the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Obamacare.(*) It gets better.

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    The Senate at that time had 60 Democrats, just enough to pass Obamacare.(*) After the bill passed the Senate tho, Democrat Senator Ted Kennedy died.(*) In his place, Massachusetts elected Republican Scott Brown.(*) That meant that, if the House made any changes to the bill, the Senate wouldn’t have the necessary number of votes to pass the corrected bill, since they knew no Republicans would vote for Obamacare.(*) So they made a deal with the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives:(*) the House would pass the Senate bill without any changes, IF the Senate agreed to pass a separate bill by the House that made changes to the Senate version of Obamacare.(*) This second bill was called the Reconciliation Act of 2010.(*) It made a bunch of detail changes, and added some things.(*) So the House passed PPACA, the Senate bill, as well as their Reconciliation Act.(*) So now PPACA was ready for the President to sign, but the Senate still needed to pass the Reconciliation Act from the House.(*) Confused yet?

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    Now, remember that the Senate only had 59 votes to pass the Reconciliation Act since Republican Scott Brown replaced Democrat Ted Kennedy.(*) In order to pass the Reconciliation Act, therefore, the Democrats in the Senate decided to change the rules.(*) They declared that they could use the “Reconciliation Rule”—this is a different “reconciliation” than the House bill now.(*) This rule was only used for budget item approval, so that budget items could be passed with only 51 votes in the Senate, not the usual 60.(*) This rule was never intended to be used for legislation of the magnitude of Obamacare.(*) Too bad… they used it anyway. (*)So then both of the “Acts” passed both houses of Congress and were then signed by President Obama.(*) All done by Democrats without a single Republican vote in favor of it.(*) To quote Democrat Rep. Alcee Hastings of the House Rules Committee during the bill process:(*) “We’re making up the rules as we go along”.(*) They certainly couldn’t have made this law without it.(*) How do you feel about that?(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)


    (Note: This commentary is by Dr. Jill Vecchio.)
    Posted by Jill Vecchio at 1:08 PM
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  2. logical1

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    It was rammed thru by democrats and only democrats, and the country needs to remember that.
     
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    It became law thru the normal constitutional process.

    (btw - until the tea party came to town most senate bills only required a simple majority. seems tea partiers and right wing obstructionists think democracy requires 60% of the votes, hence the absurd # of filabusters).
     
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    I always thought that the Republican majority House passed the bill as well.
     
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    That is why we are a REPUBLIC!!! 51% is MOB RULE!!! Pure Democracies always cannabalize themselves. Gutting a Military housing Bill to insert the Trojan horse tax Obamacare is NOT normal democratic processes. In essence you are LYING.
     
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    AHHAHHAHHAHAHAHA Nope
     
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    Thats standard operating procedure for democrats...... whats worse, obamacare makes healthcare more expensive, not less expensive.

    I wish my kids could eat lies for breakfast, then I wouldnt have to worry.....
     
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    It became law shortly after Obama got elected as President with platform focused mainly on healthcare reform.

    The people wanted it.

    Am I the only one who remembers 1998?
     
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    That's because it was never intended to help people. Obamacare is about control of the population and implementing agenda 21 and sustainable development.
     
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    Mostly liberals don't have a clue regarding the reason the socialists inside the Democratic Party were soooooooo keen to push Obamacare down the reluctant throat of this nation. It's the first major push for a pure piece of socialism from the Left in decades and it perfectly illustrates the old truism which goes [paraphrased] "U.S. citizens will never accept socialism up front but they will accept it piece by piece when presented as a 'feel good' piece of liberalism."
     
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    I guess going thru both the house and the senate and the president and the supreme court is damn leftist unconstitutional plot to foist a law upon the land.

    Presenting logical fallacies is about all that is left to the right.
     
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    Actually, all three branches of our government had to violate the Constitution to make ObamaCare law.

    For example, the Democratic Congress violated the Constitution when it claimed that it had the authority under the Commerce Clause to force Americans to purchase health insurance or pay a regulatory penalty.

    Then Obama violated the Constitution by signing off on that violation of the Constitution.

    Finally, Chief Justice Roberts had to violate the Constitution to uphold the law when he declared that the regulatory penalty in ObamaCare was - presto magico! - a tax. Only the House of Representatives is empowered to declare an exaction a tax. To make matters worse, Roberts' act of arbitrary judiclal fiat qualified as a violation of the rule of written law.

    That doesn't even get into the lying to the public, the utter lack of transparency, the kickbacks to reluctant legislators, the procedural gimmicks, the defiance of the message that voters sent to Washington when Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy's seat, etc., etc.

    Willfully violating the Constitution to enact a law may be the normal constitutional process in your country but that's not the way things are intended to work in mine. The Constitution wasn't written to be ignored and violated by our government when it is crafting, passing and interpreting the constitutionality of laws.
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    No, he got elected in 2008 running on empty-headed bromides such as "Hope" and "Change" and not being George W. Bush.

    Democrats and Leftists wanted it. Most Americans, including no one on the Right, wanted it then or want it now.
     
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    Well said, except the type of person that doesn't already know this is the type of person who will never understand it.

    Liberals have done such an amazing job at infiltrating the education systems for decades now. As generations go by fewer and fewer people actually understand the events leading up to the creation of the US Constitution. Revisionist history teaches nothing of the tyrannical oppression which lead to the founding of a free nation. Nor does it teach that the establishment of the US Constitution protects the people from that sort of oppression, provided you actually follow it.

    What do we have today? Legions of inept drones who have been so completely abused intellectually that they cheer as their freedoms are taken away. They wear ignorance as a badge of honor because its "cool" to be do whatever pop-culture tells them to do.
     
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    It is a sad state affairs, and it speaks truth to the lie that Man is constantly evolving. If you read the sermons, orations and written works of the Founding generation, it is clear that they were much more politically sophisticated and protective of their rights and freedoms than Americans are today. What we are witnessing is a enormous step backwards to the dark days that existed prior to the American Revolution.
     
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    What? Is this a joke or just ignorance?
     
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    Did you actually read the psosts? One main point is that it did not originate in the House and did not go through the House. The House passed a bill on military housing, not the ACA. Thats a case headed to the SCOTUS right now.

    And don't forget the bribes Reid had to handout to his buddy Dem's to buy enough votes to pass obamacare. The Cornhusker Kickback, Louisianna Purchase, etc - remember those? Bribery is a standard "progressive" tactic so it probably doesn't seem like a bad thing to you, but to the rest of the people its unacceptable behavour.
     
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    Either Snowe or Collins voted for it in committee...forget which one
     
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    you are a lying sack of rotten maggot infested camel toes.
     
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    Nope. It was thru dirty, underhanded, Pelosi-Obama conspired "legislative trickery."

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2448709/posts

    And you know this. So why don't you post with a bit of integrity?
     
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    He's playing dumb because he knows he has been schooled on most every aspect of the Obamacare debate already.

    Although, he very well could have some mental impairment which could make him unable to function properly.

    Like they all have.
     
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    I do remember 1998. What does that have to do with Obama and the corrupt way the democrats passed the Intrusive Care Act without a single republican vote?
     
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    How could the people want it when dem leaders were saying 'pass it now,read it later?'
     
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    I guess it is inconceivable to you that all three branches of government can violate the Constitution. We know of many cases where one branch, executive, legislative or the judiciary have violated Constitutional law. Is it therefore inconceivable that all three branches of government got the same issue wrong?

    Not to worry. The founders did make a failsafe measure. It is called the 2nd Amendment. And to recall, this nation was founded with the understanding that,

     
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