How did Obamacare become law?

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  1. yguy

    yguy Well-Known Member

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    Actually I've done nothing else, and you have done nothing but run like the wind from those challenges. What else can you do, when you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, yet are determined to project your incompetence onto others?

    Similarly, the devil is quite conversant with the Bible.

    So did Stalin.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently no legislation should be passed if the minority party disapproves. Its called "ramming it thru" when a vote is taken and the minority opposition loses.

    And as for the judicial rubber stamp - apparently the political makeup of the USSC has escaped you.

    this kind of uninformed distorted perspective is a symptom of the current ultra-partisan malaise that currently infects American governance.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying there is a statute of limitation that immunizes someone from legal action if he willingly alters, delays, or fails to implement provisions of a law duly passed by both Houses of Congress and authorized by the President that has been determined to be constitutionally valid by the Supreme Court?

    Can you provide a link to such a statute?
     
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    Rapunzel New Member Past Donor

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    No, you said the law should be implemented as signed into law, but it is too late because some of those previsions were not put into place when they should have been. So we can't go back and now implement them when they were suppose to be...and no one will be held accountable as usual.
     
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    You forgot to mention Hitler.

    The Affordable Care Act was voted upon and passed by both Houses of Congress, was enacted by the President's signature, and passed Constitutional muster with the Supreme Court. It is, consequently, the law of the land unless and until repealed by the same legislative process.

    Your evoking demons and dead communists has no relevancy.



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    When laws are transgressed, consequences normally ensue. That does not cause prosecutors to always shrug and moan, "Too late" unless there is a statute of limitations that applies.

    Has any Republican, TP or mainstream, leveled formal charges concerning the violations you allege - impeachment being the severest option available? What precludes such a step if anyone believes a law or provisions of a law have been violated?

    At the very least, full compliance with the law to the extent that remains possible - e.g., immediately activating a provision formerly deferred - is certainly available.
     
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    Rapunzel New Member Past Donor

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    Guess it doesn't matter how it was passed with backroom deals, kickbacks, bribes....never heard a progressive say anything about that but they sure would have if it had been a republican law.
     
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    No, because we have a bunch of old guard republicans who are really democrats in disguise who attack those in their own party. Not only that but impeachment would never pass the senate.
     
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    Of course it matters. The Affordable Care Act passed votes in both Houses of Congress, was enacted by the president's signature, and passed Constitutional muster with the Supreme Court. It is, consequently, the law of the land unless and until repealed by the same legislative process.

    That's how laws are made and repealed.
     
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    So, no Republican, traditionalist or TP, feels there has been a violation of law that his oath of office would require he redress by any legal means.

    That clears it up.
     
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    No, the policy Mitt Romney set forth inside his State was not the same as Obama and the Leftwingers launched at this nation's throat. Don't confuse rough but consenting sex with rape.
     
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    I love the way you edited my post in response....love it!!! What you're saying is it does not matter.
     
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    Rapunzel New Member Past Donor

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    No, there is, but those in charge of the republican party are RINO's. Most likely they want the same power when they're in office. No one is actually looking out for the American people except maybe a handful.
     
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    Given your penchant for mindless repetition of brazen lies, I don't suppose I can be blamed for repeating the truth that no one who understands the Constitution can see your conclusion as anything but idiotic at best.
     
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    I explained precisely why the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land, and how it can be repealed by the same method by which it was enacted.

    That's what matters.
     
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    The American People want to see how the ACA actually works. Some have high expectations, some think it didn't go far enough, some want to revert to 48 million uninsured. Why not wait and see?

    If you are focused upon the TP battle with Republican traditionalists, that squabble is a separate matter.
     
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    Your ad hominems ad nauseams aside, your pretending that the Supreme Court does not understand the Constitution casts you as a consummate oddball.
     
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    There is no wait and see. The law needs to be repealed before it goes to far. You know damn well as I laws do not get repealed easily. They will just throw more money at it and it will still be a disaster for the American people as far as cost and their health and BTW nearly 60% of the American people do not want Obamacare. Before it was passed 85% of people were happy with their healthcare. Obama upset the whole applecart for 15% of the people. 40 million will remain uninsured even with Obamacare.

    The cost to the American people will be unprecedented.
     
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    Nor Social Security, nor Medicare. Clearly there is a fear that it could prove as successful as its Massachusetts model, in which case it would not be repealed.

    It is the law of the land, and the electorate will be given a chance to see how well it works.

    Any Republican who has an alternative that would extend coverage to the tens of millions uninsured and lower the world's highest cost of care should certainly present his plan. I eagerly await such a reform proposal. I'm certain that we can do better than nationalized WillardCare, but I'm not hearing how.




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    In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is an oddball. :)
     
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    See? If 0bama were declared dictator, you'd still be advocating "proper channels for legal redress" :lol:
     
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    It's called ramming it through when they find a way around the usual majority required for it to pass, and that's what they did.

    Doesn't matter. They have shown repeatedly that they have no qualms about allowing unconstitutional legislation to stand, including acts that established the federal reserve and the income tax.
     
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    Your "kingdom of the blind" is another of your fantasy lands similar to the de-Christianized pulp fiction version of the US that Rosenbaum made up, and why so many Republicans view radio entertainers as their Party leaders. Such reality-alternatives are of little practical value.

    As a pragmatist, I entreat critics of the Affordable Care Act to proffer superior healthcare systems and I point to those of several advanced nations - more efficient, more effective, more inclusive, and substantially cheaper. Reluctant to cite the planet Kolob or whatever airy-fairy confection dwells in their noodles, they become flustered and revert to some nonsensical tirade.
     
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    I'll leave to to entertain your fantasy.

    I'll stick with the reality where bellywhinging about a constitutionally-compliant, properly-passed and enacted law that you don't like doesn't make it go away just because you want it to. On my side of the Looking Glass, you exercise your right to elect politicians who will legislate its repeal - without desperate antics like shutting down public services and wreaking economic havoc on the nation in a futile gambit.

     
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    That's funny stuff. It looks like some of the non-TP GOP have decided to play along with the Democrats' version of events. Not surprising, really. At the end of the day, they have much more in common with their fellow corrupt, manipulative, controlling leftists than with any of those wacky, crazy, zany, funny nuttsters in the Tea Party (and the general US population, who are growing tired of the entire game and charade).
     

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