How did the U.S. become the epicenter of the pandemic?

Amidst a national crisis, the lowlife spews his bilious churlishness upon someone who advocates truth and science.

Wonky priorities.

 

An effective treatment might save the day. Cruise lines could test each passenger for antibodies consistent with having had COVID-19 or having been vaccinated against it. Business models may no longer work.

Oh, I don't know that Italy is so different. I think they could have stopped COVID-19 if they hadn't been asleep at the switch.

If we can beat COVID-19 in this first wave, I think the economy can recover without too much damage.

The Danes have a much more robust safety net and aren't lazy. Have you been there?

There is very little collective production these days. It doesn't work except in special situations.

I think you should begin with the idea labor isn't getting a reasonable share of the GDP.



The thing about this country is that power is ultimately held by voters. Average folks can with a majority decide how income is distributed. I think they're in open revolt right across political lines about what's in the graph above. BTW, the graph lines aren't much different if you extend through 2019.

What share should labor get? The long answer in complicated and uncertain; the short answer is "a lot more than they get now."

 

What has Trump been doing for three years? When do the excuses stop? When will you hold Trump to account?

Why don't our health care workers have equipment like this...?

 

Honestly, I don't believe it. We won't allow a bunch of a------s to undermine a strategy we know can work and save a lot of lives. If asking doesn't work, we'll tell them.

Can't do that with COVID-19. People move between states. New Yorkers have been heading to Florida to get away from the virus crackdown.

The rules may be different for different parts of the country, but the rules are set at the national level. If we let a few a------s kill hundreds of thousands of Americans by spreading the virus around, we'll end up turning on each other.

Everything was fine until the last sentence. Sometimes the nation is at the center of who we are.

And if we have an ideologue who fails to fight the virus?

The federal government has the obligation to protect American citizens wherever they are. We don't ask if you're a Republican or Democrat.

I've run political campaigns, so I know there are people on the other side.

 

Don't get triggered and start lying son.

Read your own OP.

 

The only thing I heard ... we decided to go with our own test.

He okayed our failed approach.

He turned down a bird in hand for two in the bush.

 

Trump has been dealing with Russian collusion delusions and sham impeachments for the last three years. Why were the democrats obsessed with their failed attempts to bring down Trump, rather than preparing our country for such a crisis? Why did the Democrats waste untold time and resources on petty grudges that gained the American public nothing, and cost our country dearly?

Why didn't 8 years of Obama prepare us for this crisis? When will you hold the Democrats to account?

 

no proof that anything is slowing the spread, not enough data to even venture a guess, iow, cant prove slowing when in fact they have no idea how many are actually infected yet asymptomatic...

however there is proof that those eu/chinese test kits have a false negative result of 80%...

that is why our leaders refused to use those inaccurate & potentially deadly tests...

 

Oh, and the Midwest hospital where I work has better equipment than that. The PAPRs and Tyvek suits are bush league compared to the Stryker Flyte suits I was checking out and getting ready this morning.



You sweat like a pig in Tyvek, but the Stryker togas are so comfy you can wear them all day long and not feel like you're standing in a Florida swamp at high noon in July.

Why don't the NYC healthcare workers have those?

I guess that's a question you should ask Bill De Blasio and Andrew Cuomo.

 

I rest my case...

 

It's beyond ridiculous.

 

Good to hear, and I mean that sincerely. Anything short of having that type of equipment is abusing the employees.

Big Bill? The guy who kept NYC schools open until he was faced with a possible walkout by teachers and extreme public hostility?

 

We know what Trump's priorities are: Trump.

 

Trump could have let Mueller, a Republican appointed by Republicans, go about his business quietly. Instead of obsessing, he could have been doing the job we hired him to do.

Trump blew COVID-19 testing and encouraged risky behavior by minimizing the threat, not only to people but the economy. He left the stockpile of PPE low.

I didn't vote for Obama or Hillary. I can't do more than withholding my support.

Anyway, Trump dropped the ball and I think you already decided to vote for him even after his monumental screwup over COVID-19.

 

You don't have an answer, or a "case" in hand.

 

Now do the sham impeachment. Was Trump supposed to ignore a bunch of butthurt lunatics and their whole impeachment debacle?

Speaking of risky behavior and minimizing the threat.

And that was a full month AFTER Trump instituted travel restrictions in response to the Wuhan virus.

What's my alternative? Voting for the senile guy? Doing nothing but bitching about everything like you?

 

You don't have a case.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-went-wrong-with-coronavirus-testing-in-the-us

Trump dropped the ball.

 

I think a much better observation is that a lot of folks dropped the ball, and those folks aren't being held accountable by folks, like you, who ignore their culpability in order to cast blame on the guy you want to replace as president, even though, frankly, he had so little to do with the unpreparedness we find so many places in. NY state could have had thousands of respirators, for example, if only their governor hadn't squandered the funds on his little corrupt solar thing.. Just examples... To put a super fine point on it, it was the FDA and the CDC who both objected to the WHO tests because frankly, those tests weren't especially reliable. So, what really is your position here? Would it have made you feel better had the Trump administration used tests that frankly failed in a lot of their outcomes and it pushed the transmission rates higher because the tests weren't that effective? Is that what you're really complaining about?

 

He isn't senile. You just made that up to justify your support for Trump.

"Bitching about everything?" A scattershot BS generalization. In fact, I'm focused on the failure of leadership in the White House. If that Oaf doesn't sense danger to himself, he'll continue grandstanding.

 

At various points in the testing fiasco, Trump could have ordered the bureaucracy to use the WHO test. He didn't.

Or Trump hadn't fired up AF1 hundreds of times to play golf. Or... These are false choices, so don't go there.

We chose not to spend money on public health. We spent on other things, leaving healthcare workers without PPE and hospitals short of ventilators. We're a people who would rather drive a new SUV on crumbling roads than have good roads and keep our SUV for one more year.

South Korea used those unreliable tests to good advantage. So, too, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Trump forgot the old saw about a bird in hand being better than two in the bush.

 

There is evidence they slowed and/or reduced the spread in South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and China.

Your source for this? Sounds a lot like Trumper gaslighting.

Der Leader (the Orange Oaf) and friends made the decision long before there was a lot of evidence about the WHO test.

 

Trump damaged his credibility by lashing out the way he did, day after day. He could have largely killed the story by saying he was confident he would be exonerated.

It's a damn shame he did the travel ban and then screwed up the testing and almost encouraged risky behavior by minimizing the threat. What could he have been thinking?

 

Mexican H1N1 Swine Flu

This is how Obama reacted to the Mexican H1N1 Swine Flu, but Obama never declared a national emergency until November 12, 2009.

Obama: Swine Flu Cause for Concern, Not Alarm | Apr 27, 2009

On April 26, 2009, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services declared Swine Flu a public health emergency.[127] On October 24, 2009, President Barack Obama declared Swine Flu a national emergency in the United States.

The left claims Trump didn't act fast enough. Obama gets on TV saying he's monitoring the flu and preparing "to do what ever it takes" to stop the spread of the Mexican Swine Flu. Apparently, closing the southern border and banning air travel to Mexico for other than immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents was beyond what ever it takes. Obama declared a national emergency just 19 days before the CDC "reported an estimated 22 million Americans had been infected with 2009 A H1N1 and 4,000 Americans have died." Biden was Obama's VP what did he do during all this but nod his head and say yes boss! Folks need to call him on this one.

 

We aren't the epicenter.

Our fatality rate is 18/M, the same as Austria
Portugal and Ireland 20/M
Denmark 21/M
Sweden 30/M
Iran 38/M
UK 43/M
Luxembourg 48/M
Switzerland 62/M
Netherlands 78/M
France 83/M
Belgium 87/M
Spain 221/M
Italy 230/M

So to call us the global "epicenter" is fake news.

Further, there are parts of the world that may not be reporting accurately.

IT’S WORSE IN ECUADOR THAN YOU’VE PROBABLY HEARD:

“Corpses are strewn in the streets of Ecuador or spend days waiting to be picked up from private homes as the number of coronavirus deaths surges. There is no more wood for coffins, leading one cardboard manufacturer to begin producing cardboard caskets.”​

Ecuador officially has 120 deaths, total. There is some evidence that it might be much much much higher.

 

25% of cases and 11% of deaths worldwide are American.

Three weeks ago, coronavirus was not even a major issue for the government.

So, yes, US are now the epicenter.