How do cops apprehend a white suspect (armed)

Just for the sake of comparison to other shootings by cops.

PS I am aware the "white cop - black suspect" scenario is more likely to make the news.

This guy behaves very aggressive, he has a gun and threatens to shoot the officers. See what happens.

Could this be used as a guideline / educational material for cops?

 

The police generally don't holster their weapon or plead with people to rethink their behavior while they are being aggressive.

 

I am happy nobody ended up dead. I hope other cops can learn something from this.

 

They did in this case, and the video was shared by the Ohio police department. No one was shot. I guess they realized the suspect wasn't going to shoot anyone. IMO, shooting would have been justified when the suspect displayed a gun, but they kept their cool.

 

It's painful to watch a video like this knowing that many black and brown people would probably be dead and/or their tires shot out for exhibiting the same non-compliance and defiance.

 

Nonsense, it would have been no different at all.

 

Well, there is a problem. As a percentage, violent crime is more common among blacks, and cops are well aware of it, and feel more threatened by them and therefore are more likely to use lethal force with them than whites. Studies show that (as a percentage) blacks are twice as likely to be killed by cops than whites, and in certain scenarios 3 times as likely.

Trump, and many others try to argue that more white people are killed by cops than blacks, which is true, but very misleading, because it intentionally misses the point, which lies in the percentages.

Yes, it would have been justified in this case.

 

I forgot the numbers but, as I recall, we see about a dozen unarmed blacks being killed by police per year out of 10 million total arrests. We see about 50 unarmed whites facing the same fate per year. They are very rare and, apparently, not racist. The quoted comment doesn't come from the numbers. It comes from the media marketing of racism. Also, the numbers would be almost zero if people would stop resisting arrest.

I understand the desire of media marketing to achieve its ideological goals but it is up to us to think past the hype. We live in an age of hype. Calm and common sense seem to have gone out the window.

 

Yes, you "forgot" the numbers, so you threw in some numbers off the rear of your pants.

The total number is about 1000 (killed by cops) per year, and as I mentioned in the post above:

- Black people represent 12 percent of the population and make up 25 percent of the deaths in police shootings
- White people represent 62 percent of the population—and made up 54 percent of the deaths in encounters with police.

So, as a percentage aka per capita, blacks are far more likely to be killed by cops, but cops dont do it because they are racist. Cops simply feel more threatened by blacks.

and

“In those instances in which the victim appeared to pose a minimal-or-less threat to police, based on the data we had, Black people were three times as likely to be killed,” Miller says. “That doesn’t mean the police didn’t feel threatened. But based on the reports that we were able to to look at, a very low level of threat was directed at the police. And in those specific cases, the numbers rose for Black people: They made up 36 percent of the deaths.”

 

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In general, for each black killed, two whites are killed by LEO's in the line of duty. You never hear about the whites killed except as an fyi. But each black makes big news like the loss of a national treasure, followed by mass riots and mayhem by hordes of other blacks. And it is all driven by the Democrat media and race hustlers in the maintenance of division and unrest, which establishes and guarantees more of the same, the lefts ladder to power. What this is not is the ebb and flow of progress in a fair land. It is rather a worsening tsunami of wickedness in broad daylight.

 

Many studies have shown that black and brown people are killed in police shootings more often that white people. Therefore, it's not accurate to say this is just media hype.

Another source:

 

White population = 204 000 000
Black population = 44 000 000

So, there are 4.5 times more whites than blacks, so when you say for each black killed, two whites are killed, you reveal the fact that as a percentage / per capita blacks are twice as likely to be killed in an interaction by cops compared to whites.

If you had said that for 1 black killed, 4.6 whites are killed, then there would be no argument.

The question is why this is the case. See comments below.

Yes, their activists spoke up about it, and managed to bring it to everyone's attention. They want something done about it.

They should ask themselves why cops feel more threatened by blacks. The answer to that question also boils down to percentages and per capita, because as % / per capita blacks, commit more violent crime than whites, so cops have a higher chance of being assaulted by a black suspect than a while one. That is not racism, that is simply accepting the reality and taking precautions to protect their lives.

Its important to see both sides of the issue. I would like to see a study showing assaults on cops. The results should be categorized by race of the attacker. I'm afraid that per capita, blacks attack cops more often than whites.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/

Blacks are 12.6% of the population but are 43% of those who killed police officers.

 

George Floyd and Jacob Blake were a national treasures!

 

That's what I mean with second half of my post. There is a reason why cops feel more threatened by blacks, and its not because they are racist.

 

Battling numbers. Common stuff in this day and age. That is why people choose the numbers that better fit their ideology. Take your pick. The numbers I heard were for 2019 and came from a former attorney general. To me the killing of unarmed perpetrators is vanishingly rare, have little to nothing to do with race and usually occur when perpetrators resist arrest. You see things the opposite way. No big surprise there.

 

My memory is just fine.

My number was for unarmed blacks not totals. See post above.

We aren't using the same numbers. Also the percentage of population isn't the issue. The issue is the percentage of arrests.

Not unarmed blacks.

"Based on the reports that we were able to look at" says it is a guess or fake news. It is possible that blacks are three times more apt to resist arrest. Your quote ignores that. Of course, you can believe what you like.

 

My exposure to this information is based on being an LEO. I am also not racist so I don't seek only information that confirms my beliefs.

Regardless, NOBODY should be killed because a beat cop made a crucial mistake.

 

Guns need to be illegal, period.

 

I have said several times that the cops have a reason to feel more threatened by black suspects than white ones:
- "They should ask themselves why cops feel more threatened by blacks"
- "blacks attack cops more often than whites".

You argue for the sake of arguing.

Again, it is important to see both sides of the issue.

"“In those instances in which the victim appeared to pose a minimal-or-less threat to police, based on the data we had, Black people were three times as likely to be killed,”

 

How would this play out if they could not see his hands at all times? You know, like most instances where a person is shot?

 

Maybe, but you don't end up on national news for shooting a white person. You would also get an easier trial if it were a white person.

 

This is how police should behave. That guy definitely needs to go to jail. Good on those police officers for keeping cool. I'm sure they were able to take that guy in when there was a less volatile situation. Good stuff.

 

Yes, lethal force would have been justified, but they chose to not utilize it.